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A Tale of Two Sandboxes
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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-03-15 00:44:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

And honestly, I really think you over-rate your importance if you think tha tpeople are going to go out of their way to seek you out in-game just for your posting. Unless you really make an effort to be obnoxious, why would anyone bother? Lord knows, I certainly don't set any kind of example for tact or soft words. Nor am I super space rich enough to not care.

Seriously, what are you scared of?


Tell that to the people who showed tears over in C&P and ended up with half a dozen wardecs the next day. There's plenty enough people around that would like nothing better than to wardec a risk adverse industrialist to make them take down their POS for a week.

Not that it's my reason in particular, I think we've had more time at war than not over the last 4 months. Both as defenders and aggressors. Considering I'm in a small wormhole corp, I find that a little amusing.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#42 - 2013-03-15 02:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

And honestly, I really think you over-rate your importance if you think tha tpeople are going to go out of their way to seek you out in-game just for your posting. Unless you really make an effort to be obnoxious, why would anyone bother? Lord knows, I certainly don't set any kind of example for tact or soft words. Nor am I super space rich enough to not care.

Seriously, what are you scared of?


Tell that to the people who showed tears over in C&P and ended up with half a dozen wardecs the next day. There's plenty enough people around that would like nothing better than to wardec a risk adverse industrialist to make them take down their POS for a week.


They get wardecs because they act like EvE was not a PvP game.
No, it's not a bug that some ebil guy popped their ORE lasers + A-Type shield fitted Hulk.
Even the most peaceful person has to accept that EvE is EvE, not coop Hello Kitty.
If they don't, there's plenty of willing people to make them accept it by force. Pirate

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-03-15 02:11:41 UTC
EVE actually has a tribe mentallity, your corp is like family, your alliance are too, but a bit more distant.
Your Coalition are your friends and allies.

Everyone else is free game.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Derrick Diggler
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-03-15 02:57:54 UTC
I generally do not post. I do suck at it which is the main reason why.
However, I will say something that many might dispute. I LOVE the community in EVE. It is different to any other MMO by such a margin that it feels like a different game not only because it is in space, but because people playing EVE are completely different to everyone else.
Sociopaths, CEO's, lawyers, angrybros, genuinely nice people ... you can find it all here. NOT wrapped in some ******** norm of behaviour like you are elsewhere. If you want to be mean, please do. If you want to be a nicedude, you are welcome to do that too.

On one end you have pirates, scammers, douche bags and so on, and on another, you have stuff like EVE UNI for example, that provides for new peeps in every way imaginable.
Yeah you can not trust anyone. So what? Make a friendship and earn trust and all that, and you will be golden. If you really want to send your ISK in Jita to a dude to double it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

As for the division of sec sectors, i also think that they all have their place in this game. Plus you are never safe wherever you leave the station, so i really have no dramas with that.

Fly safe spacebros. Or don't. It's all good.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#45 - 2013-03-15 03:21:46 UTC
EvE is a PvP game? Compared to what? I didn't know you needed spreadsheets to PvP.

People like to live a myth. Only parts of EvE are dangerous, and only if you go it alone. For the most part EvE's PvP is overrated as their are no barriers to success if you don't PvP.

As a note, there is a reason why most PvP games have a tiered system. They prefer to keep 100 Mill SP players from griefing the newbs. Here they call it "teaching newbs the cold, harsh reality of EvE". In reality "the teachers" are asshats that prefer not to have a challenge. If you are so hardcore travel C5 WH's and teach the denizens there the "cold, harsh reality of EvE".
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#46 - 2013-03-15 04:16:56 UTC
Diesel Phumes wrote:
The first sandbox I ever played, and the game that got me hooked on MMORPGs was Ultima Online. Before the Trammel/Felucca split, this game had the absolute best PvP and player-run community I've ever experienced in a game.

Fast forward to 3 months ago when I read about Eve and decided to give it a try. There are so many things I absolutely love about this game. But, there are also quite a few things I could really do without.

The first of those things is Hi/Low sec. These 2 areas kinda feel similar to the Trammel/Felucca split to me. I understand the need for protected trade hubs, capital cities and newbro areas. What I don't see a reason for, however, is unabridged connectivity between the hisec sysems.

The second is a subculture mentality, I seem to have been experiencing, that you should rip anyone and everyone off, including your friends, if the right opportunity presents itself. I'm game for pulling one over on some scrub you just met or some idiot who deserves it. It seems to me that because ripping off EVERYONE is encouraged, it becomes Eve's societal norm, which increases levels of complacency, participation and etc. These people who value iskies over friendships almost seem to be celebrated. In past MMORPG experiences, UO for example, people like this were always ostracized, and the completeness of societal rejection seemed to deter people from behaving such. This 'friend scamming' I just mentioned bothers me for a lot of reasons, but I won't go into anymore specifics.

I'm not trying to wreck or hate anyone else's sandbox here, just wanting to share some thoughts. Nostalgia has a funny way of always making the past seem better than the present. And after all, I'm sure many more people than just myself have found ways to enjoy the exact game characteristics I just described as unappealing.


The Eve player base wasn't always this grief oriented (though there were always those who embraced that playstyle). I think you just have a lot of bored bittervets nowadays who can only derive enjoyment by 'tears'. Still, it's a great game and there are plenty of quality members of the community.

No good deed goes unpunished
Kaiekalpana
Tandoori Tunafish
#47 - 2013-03-15 06:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaiekalpana
@Malcanis

I do believe Georgina's response is an adequate explanation of why I choose to post on this topic behind an alt. Though I will elaborate somewhat, I do not view myself as being more important than anyone else. This is after all, an MMO, each of us represent little more than a grain of sand on the beach that is new eden. However, I do know that there are some self-important inflated egos who would be truly offended and are connected enough to other self-important inflated egos to make living in 0.0 nigh impossible for me should I decide to become more active than simple skill maintainence again. I wasn't lying when I said I liked what I was doing and where I was doing it, it isn't my fault that I simply can't stomach many of my so-called Alliance "mates" and their inflated egos anymore. I also need to take into account the fact that there are those in my corp who are still very active in Eve, I'd prefer to not draw any undue attention to them for opinions of mine that they may or may not share.

@Velicitia

LOL, if I were as "space important" as mittens or monty I wouldn't care enough to post with an alt. Besides, if anyone were to cause a problem because of my opinions, I wouldn't even bother to log into Eve, I'd just send out a jabber ping and overwhelm any troublemakers with several fleets of loyal peasant warriors. Isn't that what being a feudal lord of 0.0 is all about?

@Maxpie

I truly wish I had been around to experience the early days of Eve, from what I've heard, they were truly glorious.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#48 - 2013-03-15 06:50:28 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I think you are hanging out with the wrong crowd. I've played off an on for 4 years, been in a number of corporations, with hundreds of people. Only one time have I been ripped off. 99.9% of the people I meet in game are genuinely honest people just wanting to work together to build a corp/alliance/whatever.


In the end your average corp-thief/AWOXER doesn't give a crap about the ISK or even the items themselves. They just want to be hurtful little turds in a video game because in video games people can't pound their RL faces in afterward. It's a "Revenge of the Nerds" scenario and I get it. I totally understand the psychology behind it.

Evil people equate goodness with weakness. They are mistaken.

We've got a newbie office. People ask if they can borrow stuff from the hangers there, to which I reply "That's what it's there for." They say "What if someone steals it?" And I say "That stuff is all surplus. Losing it wouldn't hurt the company one bit."

It's also subtle way of saying "You will get no tears from us."

To date, nothing has ever permanently vanished. In fact I've had to practically beg people to borrow stuff before. Blows my mind, sometimes.





http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#49 - 2013-03-15 10:29:56 UTC
Diesel Phumes wrote:
The first sandbox I ever played, and the game that got me hooked on MMORPGs was Ultima Online. Before the Trammel/Felucca split, this game had the absolute best PvP and player-run community I've ever experienced in a game.



Just out of interest which MMOs did you play prior to the Trammel/Felucca split to compare to UOs PVP and community?

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subculture


I loved that game, pity mine crashed every single time once I got past a certain point in the game.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-03-15 10:50:22 UTC
Kaiekalpana wrote:
@Malcanis

I do believe Georgina's response is an adequate explanation of why I choose to post on this topic behind an alt. Though I will elaborate somewhat, I do not view myself as being more important than anyone else. This is after all, an MMO, each of us represent little more than a grain of sand on the beach that is new eden. However, I do know that there are some self-important inflated egos who would be truly offended and are connected enough to other self-important inflated egos to make living in 0.0 nigh impossible for me should I decide to become more active than simple skill maintainence again. I wasn't lying when I said I liked what I was doing and where I was doing it, it isn't my fault that I simply can't stomach many of my so-called Alliance "mates" and their inflated egos anymore. I also need to take into account the fact that there are those in my corp who are still very active in Eve, I'd prefer to not draw any undue attention to them for opinions of mine that they may or may not share.


tbh it sounds like you might need to join a better alliance.

I might put up with that class of crap in a job, because I need to pay the rent. In a game? Not so much.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lin Suizei
#51 - 2013-03-15 11:21:04 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
In the end your average corp-thief/AWOXER doesn't give a crap about the ISK or even the items themselves. They just want to be hurtful little turds in a video game because in video games people can't pound their RL faces in afterward. It's a "Revenge of the Nerds" scenario and I get it. I totally understand the psychology behind it.


Post lossmail please.

Also I definitely give a crap about the ISK and the items, nothing hurts more than awoxing a carebear then getting shafted by the loot fairy with some T2 drops.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#52 - 2013-03-15 12:02:25 UTC
Kaiekalpana wrote:

@Velicitia

LOL, if I were as "space important" as mittens or monty I wouldn't care enough to post with an alt. Besides, if anyone were to cause a problem because of my opinions, I wouldn't even bother to log into Eve, I'd just send out a jabber ping and overwhelm any troublemakers with several fleets of loyal peasant warriors. Isn't that what being a feudal lord of 0.0 is all about?


stop raining on my rumor parade Cry

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xervish Krin
Intaki Fine Stationery Solutions
#53 - 2013-03-15 12:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Xervish Krin
I've already seen the 'Eve is a dark universe be very afraid' as a load of silly posturing by people who want to feel badass for playing a ~*Hard Video Game*~. Most people aren't thinking about how they can scam their friends or rob their corp. Sure most will blow you up, but that doesn't mean they're being dicks about it, if that makes any sense.

Reveling in the super dark treacherous universe is pretty similar to those self indulgent posts you sometimes see comparing alliance warfare to the real world or whatever. People just like to feel part of something super edgy and serious.

Edit - Not saying scammers etc are the posturing ones, rather the people who pretend Eve is the worst humanity has to offer where you'll be betrayed and your soul will shrivel and and and.
Haradgrim
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-03-15 14:31:20 UTC
Trust is meaningless if the risk of trusting is small. The fact that trust in EVE exposes you to the extent that it does makes trust all the more valuable and meaningful. There are maybe 4 or 5 people I actually "trust" in EVE.
Grendel Sickswitch
#55 - 2013-03-15 14:39:10 UTC
i think the way the community is sets it apart from other mmos. it's a giant cut throat world where you don't trust anyone. much more realistic imo. happy happy fluffy bunny mmos are not reflective of the real world at all really.

anyone remember the little known game hardwar from waaayyyy back? "you can't trust anyone, can nobody trusts you". proper sci fi.
Kaiekalpana
Tandoori Tunafish
#56 - 2013-03-15 17:57:15 UTC
@Malcanis

I don't know why I haven't yet approached another Alliance about membership, it probably is due to the fact that it would likely entail moving and as I said I genuinely like the space I am in. I guess you can understand perfectly then why I am in a skill maintenance phase of playing Eve. I have been semi-active on accounts no one is aware of, though I just can't get into being somewhere else right now.

@Velicitia

Forecast is calling for scattered clouds and an 80% chance of severe thunderstorms, now you've got to ask yourself do you trust my meteorology? Lol
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