EVE General Discussion

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I look up from working on the work I brought home from the office, which pays me enough for doing extra high level real life work to buy a good number of plex for each hour of that extra real life real money work I do. I see the results and consider my options. I can just shrug it off, get another whatever and get back to what I was doing and leave it at that.

Or I could get pissed off, and do that, and also put a one billion bounty on each of those pilots. Or I could contact some available mercs in game and make a private contract with them to make it cost those pilots far more than it cost me. It would cost me some real time money for plex, but I really do make a lot of that real time money doing that work while mining, and the cost of that revenge is not even a drop in the bucket.

Most likely I am just going to take option number one simply because the same logic that tells me losing an imaginary ship and ISK that is not a fraction of the real time money I make being able to do extra real money work while sometimes afk mining also tells me it is not worth it to so target people simply playing the game.

There are things that could make it worth it, such as smart assed comments in local or my mail.

Now why even bother to post this? Far too many assume just because you are mining, even afk mining, at the time, that you are a target they can hit at no risk.

You are occasionally going to be in for a really bad surprise.

Why would they be worried, seeing as how his post doesn't actually conflict with anything anyone who wants to see null buffed has said?

Nice comeback, but doesn't come close to answering the question.

Why the fascination with ganking mining ships?

Freighters.. sure. Could be mass value of stuff in there. But a mining ship? What are you going to get?


Why will EVE die, if it is not easy to gank a mining ship?

when high sec mining is more isk/hour than null sec mining, i'd say it does.

Agreed.

If the situation in null space is such that too few find it attractive, than it makes logical sense to change the situation in null sec space so as to make it more attractive.

Making the situation in high sec space less attractive does nothing to improve the situation in null sec space, but only serves to add to the number of players not happy and to the amount of space not found to be fun by the players.

EO has done about as much as it can to make low and null sec space look horrible to new players. And the veterans who are used to it and like it are apparently thinning in their ranks.

Perhaps rather than continue to promote the image of how horrible, risky and little fun low and null sec space are, some effort might be made to help new players get over the instinctive avoidance of it.

GASP Maybe make it so they have a fair chance and are not just fuel to feed the egos of veterans?

I do not know who/what EO is.


Also, I think players come into EVE with two different play styles already set. They are either starting up an EVE account because they heard it offers great PvP... or,they are starting an EVE account because they heard about the complex resource harvesting, manufacturing, player driven market, research, etc. etc.

If you are someone that wants to engage in PvP against other players that want to PvP, well, there is ample opportunity for that in low, null, RvB, FacWar, etc. I'm sure there are lots of high sec PvP corps that will gladly fight when another high sec PvP corp war decs them.

In high sec, there is amply opportunities to gather resources, manufacture, play the market, etc.

So, these two main groups seem okay.


The issue, as I see it, are the players that suck so badly at PvPing against other players that are actually interested in PvP, that they decide the carebear industrialists should be their easy targets. They rant and rave and get all upset about how horrid a game it is because they can't fly around all day blowing up easy targets in mining ships. HINT: If you could do that, then you wouldn't be able to do that, because there would be no mining ships.


This whole notion that "if you could just get new players to experience the joy".... If they are interested in PvP, there is no shortage of ways for them to get exposed to PvP. If they have no interest in PvP and just want to harvest, manufacture, market, then there is no amount of "get them some exposure" that is going to suddenly turn them into a PvPer. When those industrialists go to null, it doesn't take long before an AFK cloaky shows up and locks them in station. Then they move back to high sec.

Everyone would be SO much happier with the game, if the PvPers would just be content to PvP against other PvPers and stopped thinking of the carebears as potential easy target if only CCP would.....

Whatever that suggestion is, if it makes it easier to kill carebears, then what you are really saying is... CCP should accept a massive revenue hit as carebears stop playing after they are driven from the game by changing.....

Right. Thread cleaned from off topic, inflammatory, trolling and personal attack posts. Amongst others. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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When I use EO, I mean Eve Online.

I think EO is a big enough game sandbox to include Carebears, PVPers and all in between. The game imo should not cater to any particular group, and if there is an exception to that, again imo, it would be new players.

I understand some are not educated or mature enough to understand the value of new players to the lifespan of a game like EO, but I am quite sure CCP does. This game is a challenge to new players. That is not to say they cannot and do not overcome that challenge, and it is not to say this game should be changed to cater to them to the detriment of the sandbox. But if, as it seems to be, there are so few that enjoy PVPing in low and null sec, that they are always complaining on the forums that they need to be easier able to kill afk miners and new players in high sec, it sure seems to me there is indeed a problem with the amount of risk in low and null sec v. reward.

Just one player's opinion, but I think the way things are set up right now, the perception, if not the reality, among newer players, is that their odds of being blown up and losing their investment are higher in low and null sec than it is worth. At least until after they have SP trained for months and months, or unless they are in a group with those who have.

You can belittle and criticize them all you want, but if you want more people out there with you, it seems like the current carrot aint working all that well, say what you like.

You've obviously never worked in a call centre, ruining someone's day is the job description.

Mental health isn't the issue here, somebody who like explosions is playing with different rules and goals than you are, they're still within the parameters of the game, wanting immunity from other players interfering with you is not.

So... why do you think an Untanked, AFK, Fitted mining ship shouldn't be profitable to gank? And given that profitable ganking is the only significant* source of risk to a miner in HS, what's the point of a tanky exhumer when the non-tanky ones are already unprofitable, when fitted, untanked, and AFK?

*The risk of flying a hulk in HS during the height of HAG was about 500k ISK/hr. You can find my math and assumptions that lead me to reach this in one of the threads from around the barge buff.