EVE General Discussion

People might have to consider that they have absolutely no idea about the physics involved in every part of the universe.

Of course, the most simple answer is, we don't move through space. We move the space that we are in. Explain me how that works... right, we don't know that it can be done, how to do it, or what its mechanics would be.

Congratulations you are arriving at the 10 year old conclusion that we are in fact playing submarines in space. I'm sure we're reaching the 1 millionth physics thread milestone.

and god's chewing gum and bailing wire

Lets go back to first principles...
Eve is a Sci-Fi game...
Science Fiction...

Fiction...

It doesn't have to be real :)

If you want to play a space game that is not fictional join NASA... oh wait, they don't have spaceships any more...

Whilst we now know that Newtonian mechanics are wrong, it is still true to say that 'Newtonian mechanics provide a good approximation for almost all situations involving sub-sub-luminal speeds'. After all, the relativistic time dilation effects observed by a person flying around the world in a jet aircraft are of the order of a nanosecond, and even a trip to the moon and back would experience well, well under a microsecond of time dilation, making Newtonian mechanics 'correct' for most applications.

If we later prove relativity wrong, then we will replace it with a theory that is close to relativity in most situations.

Does anyone else find it extremely odd that OP refers to laws of physics that are over 1000000000 years old? There was this guy called Dr Van Frunkenherber, OP, not sure if you've heard of him? His work in physics was kind of a big deal, and any game that involves warp travel should take into account massive advantages that would result from such technological possibilities; I should also be able to experience time and hence train skills like other people by doing whatever I want, even warping around space all the time.

Anyways, I just wanted to throw that out there. This really is a big issue to me; it would be like if Call of Duty had no warp drives because "welp, not futuristic enough" and everyone just sort of walked around without warp drives. You can't ignore the fundamental nature of warp and expect to present your OP as entirely relevant.

This used to happen (in 2003 and 2004), same with Drones and Gunnery skills, but people used to make 200+ jump routes and set it on autopilot whilst they went to bed.

This was changed because people were exploiting the game mechanics.

You don't need to worry about nodes. You just need to worry about grids. Even with Jita IV - 4 you don't get 2,000 people on the game grid that often. At most it tends to be hundreds. This is not a large number of objects at once to calculate.

Secondarily, physics simulations tends to be done really well in GPU in a massively parallel way. This wouldn't necessarily add that much more CPU load. It would require new hardware though.

And, lastly, while EVE isn't instanced, it is heavily sharded so that people cannot affect other people's ships if they're not on grid. There are infrastructures that can be applied here that will help with the overall load.

From the basic restrictions I would imagine the system is broken up as such.

PI is on its own server(s).
Markets/contracts are sharded at the region level.
Local chat is sharded at the constellation level and at the corp level.
Space is sharded by system and grid depending on what you're talking about.
Stations are sharded by station, probably on their own server or processes.

Session changes aren't loading screens so much as one server process handing you off to another server process. Session changes from station to system, system to system and system to space.

So all that said, all you would have to do is write additional logic for the servers that handle grids and then add the hardware to just those systems. There are probably less than ten thousands grids at any given time with very few objects in each one. Any grid that's empty of players doesn't need to be calculated at all.

So basically it's doable. They would just need to invest in it. But, frankly, it's not really all that necessary. It would be nice in some ways, but I'd rather they work on other features.

A semiconductor can be both 1 and 0 at the same time. Truth doesn't require anyone to understand it to be true.

It's not really 1 or 0 in your computer, but low voltage and high voltage. And for each there are a range of voltages that work.

The only requirement of logic is that something not be both A and not A at the same time. You can be two opposite things without a problem. But even that only applies to formal logic and not physics.

For all that scientists don't know, we do know a whole lot and scientists tend to know massive amounts more on their topic than the layman. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.