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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#41 - 2013-03-14 11:10:31 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
The problem isn't arties vs pulse lasers. Its hurricane vs other ships.

Whats the point of higher max range when the harby does more DPS at all ranges <50km? The cane only barely (and I mean barely) out dpsing the harb for a few KMs afterwards?

Sorry but high alpha isn't worth all the trade-off of all the things it does considerably worse compared to the harb. I'd take less alpha anyday with the options that a PULSE harb offers. Lol

You are neglecting alpha advantage. You may prefer a pulse harbinger, though the arty cane will have a better dps at 35km and above (hint : tremor, titanium sabot, proton). Beam harby indeed have better dps than the cane all way long, but again, the selling point of arties is alpha, not dps. If arties had alpha AND dps, they would be OP. Arty Hurricane have almost 3 times the alpha of Beam of Pulse Harbinger.

Hurricane is also a lot faster than the harbinger ; again something you may not consider but a clear advantage nonetheless.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-03-14 20:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
The problem isn't arties vs pulse lasers. Its hurricane vs other ships.

Whats the point of higher max range when the harby does more DPS at all ranges <50km? The cane only barely (and I mean barely) out dpsing the harb for a few KMs afterwards?

Sorry but high alpha isn't worth all the trade-off of all the things it does considerably worse compared to the harb. I'd take less alpha anyday with the options that a PULSE harb offers. Lol

You are neglecting alpha advantage. You may prefer a pulse harbinger, though the arty cane will have a better dps at 35km and above (hint : tremor, titanium sabot, proton). Beam harby indeed have better dps than the cane all way long, but again, the selling point of arties is alpha, not dps. If arties had alpha AND dps, they would be OP. Arty Hurricane have almost 3 times the alpha of Beam of Pulse Harbinger.

Hurricane is also a lot faster than the harbinger ; again something you may not consider but a clear advantage nonetheless.


You exaggerate a little. Its more like 40kms and above when you switch ammos. Which takes 10 seconds to do. How much DPS do you get with faction proton? Like 200? And 1.6k alpha? Unimpressive.

The cane isn't "a lot" faster than a harbinger unless you drop some much needed low slots to fit a nano. I wouldn't get rid of the single tracking enhancer... Its very beneficial. Nor the damage control. Can't remove the reactor control because then the fit won't work... So I guess it has to be one of the three gyrostablizers. Now you've got a ship that is noticeably faster. The agility for both ships remains the same however (which was another nerf they gave it Smile )

Now you've dedicated 3 low slots to non-damage mods on the cane while the harbinger only has two. Which is much more typical and arguably better.

I didn't neglect the alpha advantage. I just said it didn't stand up to numerous advantages the harbinger had. Something you neglect. I'll list them for you.

-Full flight of medium & light drones.
-No fitting mods required.
-Better DPS at "normal" engagement ranges (point range).
-Medium energy neut.
-Ability to Instantly brawl or kite whenever (Instant ammo change).
-Great DPS at brawl and kiting ranges.
-Hugely better tracking.


Whats the cane have?
-Barely better speed.
-Alpha.
-More damage at 40km+ with ammo change?

The only real benefit I see there is alpha. And like I said before, Alpha alone isn't going to cut it when compared to all the advantages you get with the harbinger.
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