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Arrest of Seriphyn Inhonores

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-03-11 06:39:26 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
I wonder if Lady Vitalia has the bouncy little bottom locked up in one of her villas again... initiation rituals, you know, all that.

The thought of you fantasizing about me precipitates within me a violent nausea more crippling than the one I got from drowning my sorrows in Hak'len.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-03-11 12:11:45 UTC
Audreus Ixiris wrote:
The SDII was approved by the Senate, its legality backed by the Supreme Court. It operates under legislative, executive and judicial oversight. In terms of legitimacy it has a lot more going for it than the CPD.


So what changed your mind?

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#43 - 2013-03-11 14:01:33 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
I know this must seem an odd preoccupation to those of you with no particular tie or loyalty. But I believe in the Federation and the ideals for which she is supposed to stand. I am truly eartsick that circumstances lead to these outcomes.

Are we traitors? Are we not?

I suppose only time will tell.

I don't envy your inner torment over the circumstances that led to your actions, but understand what you are going through. I can only offer you advice through experience.

There is more honour in acting in accordance with your own convictions, doing what you fundamentally believe is right even when others would challenge you for doing so, than towing the party line and impotently bearing witness to injustice and wrong doing.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#44 - 2013-03-11 16:37:09 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
I wonder if Lady Vitalia has the bouncy little bottom locked up in one of her villas again... initiation rituals, you know, all that.

The thought of you fantasizing about me precipitates within me a violent nausea more crippling than the one I got from drowning my sorrows in Hak'len.


Bottoms up!
Logan Fyreite
Grim Bit Interface
#45 - 2013-03-11 20:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Logan Fyreite
I heard Seriphyn Inhonores ran like a kitten chased by hounds after scoring the kill. Smart with that much Navy Mega on the field, especially after they chewed through, what two Oneiros and one Exequror before turning their guns on Andreus? Should have been faster on his feet at his home. Imprisonment is such an inconvenience.

I'm pretty surprised that Andreus lost his ship. Apparently he is more valorous in space than in person. I expected him to leave faster than Seriphyn. I guess there should be no surprise about valor in space since there is little danger of permanent damage in there, well for a capsuleer.

It's nice to see the FIO at work again.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#46 - 2013-03-11 20:59:12 UTC
I (or more correctly 'we', given the several thousand crewmembers on my ship) warped out after confirming a retreat order.

But, of course, inflicting maximum damage and death to the enemy takes primacy over the preservation of both your ship and crew, doesn't it? Who cares if you lack the responsibility of a starship captain to put safety first? You got on some sweet two billion ISK kill reports.

Go back to your hole.

(And yes, I'm released now)
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#47 - 2013-03-11 21:22:52 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
And yes, I'm released now


You have been Released on Bail ? Or have the Charges been Dropped ?

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-11 23:05:08 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
So what changed your mind?

Nothing did.

I'll let you work out the rest.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Logan Fyreite
Grim Bit Interface
#49 - 2013-03-13 21:57:38 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
I (or more correctly 'we', given the several thousand crewmembers on my ship) warped out after confirming a retreat order.

But, of course, inflicting maximum damage and death to the enemy takes primacy over the preservation of both your ship and crew, doesn't it? Who cares if you lack the responsibility of a starship captain to put safety first? You got on some sweet two billion ISK kill reports.

Go back to your hole.

(And yes, I'm released now)

Aww I must have hit a nerve.

Then again I am sure I would be pretty upset too if I let the Black Eagles run rampant over my fleet and destroy my charge. I suppose that is hardly your fault though, more the fault of whatever FC you had. Seems like a pretty poor idea to have logistics close enough to the main fleet to come under fire from such 'long ranged' ships like Navy Megathrons. Keep those things alive and might have made quite the difference against the FIO 'gents.' Maybe if you were a better Captain you would have thought of such things and suggested to your FC.

Even so, your fleet had what looks like the worst group of captains imaginable. Since we are talking about poor captaining... Well looking at the lost fits, A hype without any tackle and only one large armor rep? or how about both Oneiros with very little to no tank, OR without a prop mod? The best fit in the fleet, arguably, is the Exequor, followed closely with the lost friendly Navy Mega.

Ahh yes, the ole cry of putting the safety of one's crew first. Clearly that is the way fight. "Well I better not stick around with all this antimatter getting tossed around... it wouldn't be safe!" Such insight. Maybe being more concerned with your escorting job and less with your own.

I never left my hole. Beauty of the IGS.
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-03-13 22:17:07 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
You don't have diplomatic immunity. There are no laws, either CONCORD or empire-based, that grant such.

The moment you step outside the CONCORD areas on a space station, or onto a planet, you enter the jurisdiction of the local forces and are accountable for any crimes you commit while on their soil, or in their space (CONCORD doesn't own the space, they only provide security. The empires' local laws still apply to capsuleers... see contraband laws for an example). If you break local law in empire space, the security forces are given free reign to open fire without CONCORD interference. Consider the incident mister Inhonores was in, where he and everyone else involved were flagged by DED--giving the FIO clearance to open fire--because they had assisted in the illegal hacking of a Federal installation.

You can probably buy your way out of most prosecution, but there are no laws protecting you when you enter an empire's legal territory. If you break their laws, and are on their territory, they can prosecute you however they wish.


Quoting this to use as a reference for the next "Waaah, but I am special and can do whatever, wherever, and you cant touch me nyah nyah" sort that turns up.

Capsuleers are NOT above all national or local laws.


Its just really hard to hold a capsuleer accountable. Very wealthy people without fear of death.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#51 - 2013-03-14 00:26:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Logan Fyreite wrote:

Aww I must have hit a nerve.

Then again I am sure I would be pretty upset too if I let the Black Eagles run rampant over my fleet and destroy my charge. I suppose that is hardly your fault though, more the fault of whatever FC you had. Seems like a pretty poor idea to have logistics close enough to the main fleet to come under fire from such 'long ranged' ships like Navy Megathrons. Keep those things alive and might have made quite the difference against the FIO 'gents.' Maybe if you were a better Captain you would have thought of such things and suggested to your FC.

Even so, your fleet had what looks like the worst group of captains imaginable. Since we are talking about poor captaining... Well looking at the lost fits, A hype without any tackle and only one large armor rep? or how about both Oneiros with very little to no tank, OR without a prop mod? The best fit in the fleet, arguably, is the Exequor, followed closely with the lost friendly Navy Mega.

Ahh yes, the ole cry of putting the safety of one's crew first. Clearly that is the way fight. "Well I better not stick around with all this antimatter getting tossed around... it wouldn't be safe!" Such insight. Maybe being more concerned with your escorting job and less with your own.

I never left my hole. Beauty of the IGS.


Logan, had you left your hole and been present, you would have known that the fleet was forced to take the gate straight into the teeth of those Navy Mega's in an attempt to evacuate the Freighter carrying the intel on the supposed illegal weaponary. Meaning the logistics did not have the time to get to stand off range before being heavily engaged & webbed, nor the luxury of moving freely due to the need to stay in range of the whole fleet which had just come through a gate.
In no way was this the fault of the FC in question, who did a grand job in holding the fleet together & fighting in the face of such a trap. I would happily fly with him again even expecting such a situation.

As to fits, well, some of us will hopefully learn. Others of us will refine.

But next time, do feel free to come along with the fleet, & give us your wisdom from the virtue of first hand, rather than backseat admiraling in hindsight.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2013-03-14 01:23:31 UTC
Logan Fyreite wrote:
Aww I must have hit a nerve.

Then again I am sure I would be pretty upset too if I let the Black Eagles run rampant over my fleet and destroy my charge. I suppose that is hardly your fault though, more the fault of whatever FC you had. Seems like a pretty poor idea to have logistics close enough to the main fleet to come under fire from such 'long ranged' ships like Navy Megathrons. Keep those things alive and might have made quite the difference against the FIO 'gents.' Maybe if you were a better Captain you would have thought of such things and suggested to your FC.

Even so, your fleet had what looks like the worst group of captains imaginable. Since we are talking about poor captaining... Well looking at the lost fits, A hype without any tackle and only one large armor rep? or how about both Oneiros with very little to no tank, OR without a prop mod? The best fit in the fleet, arguably, is the Exequor, followed closely with the lost friendly Navy Mega.

Ahh yes, the ole cry of putting the safety of one's crew first. Clearly that is the way fight. "Well I better not stick around with all this antimatter getting tossed around... it wouldn't be safe!" Such insight. Maybe being more concerned with your escorting job and less with your own.

I never left my hole. Beauty of the IGS.


The cowardly will complain about the weather.

The brave will risk the storm.

This is not a comment about protecting ones' crew.
Logan Fyreite
Grim Bit Interface
#53 - 2013-03-14 14:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Logan Fyreite
Nevyn Auscent wrote:


Logan, had you left your hole and been present, you would have known that the fleet was forced to take the gate straight into the teeth of those Navy Mega's in an attempt to evacuate the Freighter carrying the intel on the supposed illegal weaponary. Meaning the logistics did not have the time to get to stand off range before being heavily engaged & webbed, nor the luxury of moving freely due to the need to stay in range of the whole fleet which had just come through a gate.
In no way was this the fault of the FC in question, who did a grand job in holding the fleet together & fighting in the face of such a trap. I would happily fly with him again even expecting such a situation.

As to fits, well, some of us will hopefully learn. Others of us will refine.

But next time, do feel free to come along with the fleet, & give us your wisdom from the virtue of first hand, rather than backseat admiraling in hindsight.

If I had showed up, the reception at my presence wouldn't have been listening to my advice it would have been both sides firing on me. Though it would have been fun to rep the Navy Mega you guys killed just to have robbed a kill.

I'm sure you know, even as you say that Logistics "didn't have the time" that the statement is complete garbage. I don't know what exactly happened but let me break down what is always a good idea.

Scenario 1. You jump into the Navy mega's, your logi's hold cloak or jump in after the rest of the fleet, and then move to range, alternatively your logi's jump in, warp out and then warp back in at range to appropriately apply reps

Scenario 2. Your fleet warps to the Navy mega's on a gate, your logi's should be warping in at range, not at 0 to a bunch of waiting blaster ships. And definitely not in the midst of the rest of the fleet.

Scenario 3. You have appropriate fits and you follow advice in 1 and 2 and then you realize how much more effective your fleet is as a result.

I mean these aren't cutting edge or advanced tactics. More along the lines of common sense. I suppose I should just stop talking there.

Scherezad wrote:

The cowardly will complain about the weather.

The brave will risk the storm.

This is not a comment about protecting ones' crew.

"Bravery is the ability to act properly even when scared half to death"

In this case acting properly would be deploying forces to correctly combat the situation, not flail about and lose not only the fleet but also the objective.

Don't confuse bravado, stupidity, mistakes and death as bravery. That under-vaules bravery. Instead consider bravery as taking measured and effective action while under fire, even if it means the loss of your ship, crew or life. Not that the last one holds much fear for us. Bravery isn't fruitlessly and foolishly throwing away resources in an ineffective effort to accomplish a goal.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-03-14 18:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Samira Kernher wrote:


You can probably buy your way out of most prosecution, but there are no laws protecting you when you enter an empire's legal territory. If you break their laws, and are on their territory, they can prosecute you however they wish.


You also have the option of forcing your captors to kill you, at which point, your clone will awaken, albeit with slightly out of date memories due to not being in a capsule at the time of death.

I wonder what information is currently in his head to justify putting up with this, and allowing himself to be held by local law enforcement?

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#55 - 2013-03-14 18:45:14 UTC
I'm free now, it's cool. Topic's over.
Logan Fyreite
Grim Bit Interface
#56 - 2013-03-14 19:28:45 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
I'm free now, it's cool. Topic's over.

But there are so many questions that have been left unanswered.

Charges dropped, released as a free man?
Or released on Bail?
Sent home after a thorough spanking?
Verbal warning?
Dock in pay?
renewed interest in anti-government actions?
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#57 - 2013-03-14 20:04:47 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:


You can probably buy your way out of most prosecution, but there are no laws protecting you when you enter an empire's legal territory. If you break their laws, and are on their territory, they can prosecute you however they wish.


You also have the option of forcing your captors to kill you, at which point, your clone will awaken, albeit with slightly out of date memories due to not being in a capsule at the time of death.

I wonder what information is currently in his head to justify putting up with this, and allowing himself to be held by local law enforcement?


Not everyone keeps a soft clone, mister Khamez. Nor is everyone so impatient and childish as to be unwilling to spend a few days in confinement.

When you commit a crime, not only should you permit yourself to be detained, but you should make every effort to turn yourself in. It is the proper and respectable thing to do. Just because we may have the ability to avoid incarceration and punishment, does not mean it is right to do so.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#58 - 2013-03-14 20:54:15 UTC
Logan Fyreite wrote:
Charges dropped, released as a free man?
Or released on Bail?
Sent home after a thorough spanking?
Verbal warning?
Dock in pay?
renewed interest in anti-government actions?


1) Yes (if anyone even read DES-F's formal apology)

2) No

3) Maybe

4) No

5) Yes

6) It's part of my rogueish appeal. Though I answer to a different government now.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#59 - 2013-03-14 21:51:18 UTC
Logan Fyreite wrote:
"Bravery is the ability to act properly even when scared half to death"

In this case acting properly would be deploying forces to correctly combat the situation, not flail about and lose not only the fleet but also the objective.

Don't confuse bravado, stupidity, mistakes and death as bravery. That under-vaules bravery. Instead consider bravery as taking measured and effective action while under fire, even if it means the loss of your ship, crew or life. Not that the last one holds much fear for us. Bravery isn't fruitlessly and foolishly throwing away resources in an ineffective effort to accomplish a goal.


I agree entirely, sir. Bravery is none of the things in your annotated list. And, yes, it is indeed quite the storm outside.
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