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ECM Burst Question
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XrizZ
Slow Match
#1 - 2013-03-13 20:48:43 UTC  |  Edited by: XrizZ
Hi fellow Capsuleers,

I believe I encountered a bug today with the ECM Burst module, however I want to make sure I'm fully understanding the mechanics behind it first.. and thats where I'm counting on you ;)

here is what happened:
I activated the ECM Burst Module while an enemy was close by. The first cycle didn't disrupt him.. fair enough. However the second cycle did, so I decided to warp out, as soon as I hit warp, the enemy was able to target me again, although from my understanding he should have been blind for the entire remaining cycle. Just like a normal directed ECM module would.

So what went wrong?
Why was the enemy able to lock me again so quickly?
Is it a bug, or does the ECM Burst only disrupt the lock once and not for the entire cycle?

Thanks,
XrizZ
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2013-03-13 20:51:49 UTC
ecm burst breaks lock and that's it. It does not jam for entire cycle. They will immediately try to re-lock your ship.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#3 - 2013-03-13 21:10:12 UTC
Just as X Gallentius said, ECM Burst is just that - a burst. It is for a quick delocking and nothing more. It's best to align and be ready to warp off while you're trying to do the burst. Likewise I've seen to great affect ECM Bursts used only to break logi chains/reps temporarily for chaos. Yeah, it's not a full cycle, but it's enough to get a lot done.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#4 - 2013-03-13 21:35:19 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Just as X Gallentius said, ECM Burst is just that - a burst. It is for a quick delocking and nothing more. It's best to align and be ready to warp off while you're trying to do the burst. Likewise I've seen to great affect ECM Bursts used only to break logi chains/reps temporarily for chaos. Yeah, it's not a full cycle, but it's enough to get a lot done.


As a logistics pilot who has never encountered this and would never have seen it coming I really appreciate the tip.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#5 - 2013-03-13 21:39:28 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Just as X Gallentius said, ECM Burst is just that - a burst. It is for a quick delocking and nothing more. It's best to align and be ready to warp off while you're trying to do the burst. Likewise I've seen to great affect ECM Bursts used only to break logi chains/reps temporarily for chaos. Yeah, it's not a full cycle, but it's enough to get a lot done.


As the two posters above me correctly stated.... A successful ECM burst causes a target to "drop lock", but they can then attempt to relock you immediately.

Potential uses:
1.) Be pre-aligned... Burst... and warp away... If you are webbed, the burst will drop their web and so you can't always instawarp...
2.) Disrupt cap chains.... Although lock-breaker bombs are usually more suited for this...
3.) Escape via MJD... Activate MJD and burst the moment before it finishes it's "cycle"... I read, but haven't personally tested, as long as you aren't scrammed at the end of the cycle, you get to MJD away.
4.) Mess with enemy drones... bursting cause the drones to lose target... and the stupid drone AI will often have them acting rather uncoordinated thereafter...

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2013-03-13 21:56:15 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
Just as X Gallentius said, ECM Burst is just that - a burst. It is for a quick delocking and nothing more. It's best to align and be ready to warp off while you're trying to do the burst. Likewise I've seen to great affect ECM Bursts used only to break logi chains/reps temporarily for chaos. Yeah, it's not a full cycle, but it's enough to get a lot done.


As a logistics pilot who has never encountered this and would never have seen it coming I really appreciate the tip.


Generally speaking, the Jam strength (6-9) and range (6-9 km) of the ECM burst is too low to cause a massive "unlock" effect on most logies, which typically fit ECCM.

Scorpions, which are the only ship in the game that get a bonus to ECM burst strength and range, are the exception. They'll burst with a 14-16 Sensor Strength, and a 20-30 km range.

Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#7 - 2013-03-14 17:37:20 UTC
Since I've seemed to have started a bit of a conversation on using Burst to break Logi locks:

The majority of its uses are used against either the frig logis (which have low sensor strength and typically do not fit ECCM) or with a Scorpion ramming full speed into a formation of Guardians or Basilisks and then activating once in the swarm. As both a logi pilot and FC I've seen the latter situation happen a lot in bigger engagements. In FW not so much.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#8 - 2013-03-14 20:18:22 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Scorpions, which are the only ship in the game that get a bonus to ECM burst strength and range, are the exception.
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