Crime & Punishment

There have been entirely too many "New Order threads" on EVE-O, and I believe the best way to rectify this is to create another one. Naturally, mine is superior in every way.

For those who don't know me, I kill bad miners who don't follow the rules. Now that we know each other, I have a story to share, one that isn't for filling tear bottles, bragging or...uh...reporting corp thiefs or whatever victimized CEOs try to do with their threads.

No, this story takes a peek into that dark, unfriendly space we know as the mind of the high sec miner, and demonstrates how James 315's CSM platform won't catalyze the great miner exodus from EVE Online.



About a month ago, during routine inspections, I spotted a Noctis hanging around very suspiciously in an ice belt. I recognized the pilot - Teddy23092 Teddy23092 - from the day before, when I and Kane The Barbarian had suicide ganked his Hulk in high sec. Teddy, now in his Noctis, did not find salvaging the wrecks of other miners I had killed to be a dishonorable act; remember the high sec miner is not above theft, unless it is his can being stolen. After I solo'ed the Noctis, many in local accused me of hypocrisy for attacking a player that wasn't mining that day. Perhaps he had reformed and I had committed a terrible atrocity against a reformed, ex-miner? Thorough investigations by my scouting alt revealed damning evidence; a Mining Director skillbook in the Noctis' wreck. I was acquitted of all charges.

So, what does this have to do with James 315's CSM platform?

Cursory examination shows that months ago, before Teddy was a high sec miner, he had been a member of a corp in S2N Citizens for about 9 months. S2N Citizens is a rather large sov holding 0.0 alliance. Dotlan ranks them the 8th largest alliance by member count, with sovereignty over several systems in Omist, Tenerifis, Scalding Pass and Detorid, and as such they had no shortage of mining belts in their space for Teddy to toil in. So why did he leave his large, supposedly capable and secure 0.0 alliance protected sov space for high sec? It's because no alliance can protect miners better than CONCORD.

After his move to high sec, as if mining there wasn't dishonorable enough, Teddy dropped to an NPC corp to remove any vestige of social interaction from his mining routine. In doing so, he remained sheltered from all of S2N Citizens wars, while most likely remitting his ill-gotten ISK to his main to fight these wars. If any of S2N Citizens' enemies ever came up with the clever, dare I say, emergently clever, idea of shutting down S2N Citizens' income sources as a means of waging economic war, they'd best forget it because Teddy didn't believe in mining under the alliance flag. Why should he have to face S2N Citizens' enemies when he was earning his income, that was his "me time." He didn't consent to fighting during his "me time."

As a direct result of my enforcment against his activities, Teddy has undergone a swift and remarkable transformation, as do most upon whom the healing powers of the Saviours Code are enacted. He has apparently rejoined his old corporation and returned to null - something that detractors of James 315's CSM platform continue to swear is impossible to make the high sec carebear do! He didn't just leave high sec, he packed his bags and booked it the very next day for a piece of his own private mining wonderland in the blue doughnut.

Of course, having mined in high sec for so long in almost unpunctuated safety, he found his afk mining habits hard to kick. He lost his Hulk in null as well, this time mining just 1 jump outside his alliance's sov space, in a system that is landlocked by his alliance. The kill was delivered by En Devers, who I'm sure would be grateful to have more targets dispatched his way by the New Order's activities, as would all the others out there who are getting more fights without knowing who is responsible.



The whole scenario presented above has repeated itself time and again, and countless high sec alts have been relocated to null to become the base of the PvP food chain for people who live there.

Many, including several CSM hopefuls, have voiced concerns with James 315's CSM platform. They say that the high sec miner will sooner quit EVE than see their playstyle nerfed, but my experience shows that when the high sec miners playstyle is denied to him on a daily basis, by gankers such as myself and others, the high sec miner simply goes on playing. Not only that, I see the majority of miners, like Teddy, over time adapt their playstyle instead of rage-quitting. These are people that put up with shooting rocks for slave wages on auto-repeat for christs' sake, if high sec mining can't make them quit I'm not sure it's even possible.

EVE is a game that has a natural tendency to attract masochists. We aren't the ADHD-ridden, here-today-gone-tomorrow crowd. As evidenced by its consistent subscriber growth, despite its harshness, we are a community of players known for sticking it out everyday with things most MMO players won't put up with for a second.

Ganking didn't make Teddy and miners like him quit, and neither would a nerf. And lord knows high sec needs it. More miners mining in their sov space, under their alliances' flag, earning good income for being vulnerable to real players instead of just rats while being protected by real players and not ridiculously buffed NPCs, will lead to more engaging gameplay for all parties.

-Wes

Short version: look at me, I crave attention! I have an anecdote I wish to relay that, despite being one instance, is proof of my point if view.

The short, short version: Look at me!

how to send high sec miners back to null.

make null sec mining worth more isk/hour than high sec mining.
it's really ******* simple.

There will never be 'too many New Order' threads. At least, not until bot mining and bot aspirant mining is widely seen as being as silly a way to make ISK as ratting with a smartbombing battleship in highsec.

Nice work OP.


It already is, as is the PvE. A carebear will pay any price to avoid playing an MMO like an MMO, however.

Honestly, my biggest complaint about the logic of the op (apart from assuming people care that much), is the op presents a nice set of circumstances, but does realize the deeper conclusion. The op only considers the in game aspects of the issue.

What the op fails to realize is that the miner in question is human, and human's are risk-averse. Some may seek thrills, but in general, people prefer the less risky option. In the case if the op's story, the miner moved from nul to an area they felt was less risky. The op proved the miner wrong, the miner moved back to nul where they felt less risk.

The problem is, the op assumes all miners will do the same. The op assumes all miners have sine safe haven nul sec corp they can join when fleeing hi sec. Given the nature of many miners I have known and the usual complaint that miners are solo people trying to play an MMO in an anti-social manner, most miners don't have friends in nul or a safe haven there. Heck, a good portion of nul corps will try to scam miners or other new people joining. In general, nul corps also want combat pilots who can be part of the blob and assist in CTAs, not miners who contribute little to nothing in defense if their area and in general are just a logistics drain. (who do you think moves the minerals to where it is needed or where it can be sold? Usually nit the miner but rather the poor logistics jump freighter pilot.) So the end result, miners won't tend to join a nul that does not want them. Instead, they will seek safe haven in another game. Congrats, you've just lost ccp a little revenue, driven one more player from the game.

Seems to me that the whole new order concept is flawed in this same premise. You can't claim people are anti-social and them harass them into being social. Life just doesn't work that way.

The lost subscriptions crap is so tiring. Highsec has never been, and was never meant to be, a perfect little safe haven for people to grind away all day in. If someone quits EVE because they get killed in highsec then EVE was NEVER the game for them, and therefor CCP shouldn't be worried about them. Do Activision worry about all the people who don't play CoD because they only like racing games? Do Valve worry about all the people who don't play TF2 because they don't have an affinity for hats? No. So why should CCP worry about players who don't want to play a spaceship pvp game?

I have absolutely no issues with suicide ganking. Anything to make isk is absolutely fine. I wouldn never dream of mining either.


Im just confused how spending all your time looking for unarmed mining ships makes the OP any less of a carebear than the people he is shooting. Seems to be hes in the same line of work as miners. They both like shooting stuff that cant shoot back.

I keep hearing this for some reason. However, I'm glad to help you understand reality. The New Order is nothing if not educational, and willing to help.

James has increased revenue to CCP. After hearing about the Saviour of HighSec, I began to play for my first time ever. I have had a blast (pun intended) with the New Order. I'm not the only one, either.

Additionally, if you're referring to the class of person we typically target, they mostly plex their accounts. There's no other reason to AFK ice mine, really. In the case of people who have plexed their accounts, they contribute nothing to CCP. Someone else has paid for their accounts, and if they cease to purchase plex, someone else will buy it anyways.

Thus CCP has gained money! It's good for everyone!

OP Post is great. I like.