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FW: Lack of Organization

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Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#21 - 2013-03-13 18:52:43 UTC
Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.

/me turns on flame-hardeners.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#22 - 2013-03-13 18:54:41 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.

/me turns on flame-hardeners.


AGREED i said this in another post a few days ago
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-03-14 01:06:19 UTC
I would say the organization represents the warzone. Gal/Cal is very spread out and it's rare that you see more than 10 in a system that's not a 'home' system during USTZ. Over the weekend in Minnie/Amarr space, every stsyem had a MINIMUM of 10 that I was in and I bet those sides have good intel/fleets up (I leave it to you to define "good") more than we do. Or at the very least, more fleet action because it's more condensed.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#24 - 2013-03-14 05:20:53 UTC
Dunno what the OP is talking about.

We explode in a very organized fashion.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#25 - 2013-03-14 05:44:19 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.



Fleet finder will occasionally have fleets - but 1/2 of them will be set ups to gank you.


Thing is - FW is mostly people who can't stand the way things are done in Null sec.
They don't need someone to tell them how to fit, fly and when they can do it.

You have joined a group of individuals.
When you have a group who can all think for themselves - organization becomes a burden.


Example:
I have one concern. My home system. That's all.
The system next door or 2 jumps away is someone elses problem. If they do not take ownership and look after it by dplexing and chasing off farmers then they deserve to lose it.

It is up to smaller individual Corps to make somewhere their home in low sec and defend it.
The war zone is too big and with a larger organized group, prioritizing would need to occur leaving someones home system getting screwed over.

So if an alliance has 3 corps and they all live in the same place and defend the same system - they will fail by choice.

They should have each corp based in different systems and have them defend them. So the smaller groups can get more done and are more efficient. A larger organized group would have too narrow of a focus to be of any use.


The biggest problem is actually FW people living in High Sec. They do not take ownership of home systems and defend them.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#26 - 2013-03-14 07:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Capitol One wrote:
Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.

/me turns on flame-hardeners.


Actually wolfsbrigade decided they liked enemy militia more than their own and then wondered why people didnt care much for them after that because everybody apparently should have liked the enemy too. Of course those who didnt were all just people "who took things too seriously" and dramalamas.

With this I am of course referring to people getting butthutt when Draketrain fleet refused to let gallente undock and let other militia people form the "purple fleet" to go after RnK. Lacco's quote says it all: "If you are willing to join into a fleet with your enemy, what are you doing in FW in the first place?".

And to OP. Eve is not a game where you are magically provided entertainment when you demand it. Has it perhaps occurred to you that people who run fleets and bigger alliances have actually worked their butt off to get their people into position they will always have a proper fleet to call for?

And as for public fleets, most people in State Pro NPC corp are either LP-farmers or gallente spy alts (usually same thing) so making public fleets (in any militia) is just stupid. It makes no difference that spying in FW is usually about as useful as looking for heterosexual single women in a gay bar.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-03-14 07:44:13 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
And to OP. Eve is not a game where you are magically provided entertainment when you demand it. Has it perhaps occurred to you that people who run fleets and bigger alliances have actually worked their butt off to get their people into position they will always have a proper fleet to call for?


Has it occurred to you that I have previously stated (twice) that I was not referring to the corp/alliance level? Or are you one of those who puts asshattery first, and reading second?

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#28 - 2013-03-14 08:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
There has been no real cohesive teamwork from the squids since wbr left tbh ..... DNlevaithan tried it but it was such a task battling with people like u damarr he joined us lol.... gavin is the only one whos come close to unifying the militia since wbr left his militia fleets used to do ok.
. if u say it doesnt make sense to do militia wide roams how come it works so well for the other 3 militias?????


Oh and by the way heres something that interested me:-

name removed > well the real reason pervs disbanded
name removed > is cause kuolematon looked at the membership
name removed > and saw that theere were 2 groups
name removed > there was good pvpers
name removed > and there was the people who liked damar and bm
name removed > and pretty much no overlap
name removed > and they hated each other


ahh ur beloved pervs sounds like u were all really together hahahaha
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#29 - 2013-03-14 09:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
There has been no real cohesive teamwork from the squids since wbr left tbh ..... DNlevaithan tried it but it was such a task battling with people like u damarr he joined us lol.


You can keep DNleviathan quite freely. Please do not send him back.

In all seriousness, I recall DNleviathan did the usual thing many people before and after have done. The conversation usually goes like this:

DN: I want you/your corporation to come help pvp with us.
DR: Ok, will your corp help me plex then?
DN: No, plexing is pve. We are here for pvp!
DR: Then why should I help you if you are not willing to help me?

After that he runs to forums and moans how people refuse to follow his mighty leadership..

Kane Alvo wrote:
Has it occurred to you that I have previously stated (twice) that I was not referring to the corp/alliance level? Or are you one of those who puts asshattery first, and reading second?


If people want to feed their enemy easy kills by not being on fleets or comms in their 2-3 man corporations, they can do that. Alternatively they can join any of the existing alliances/corporations to learn and to have competent people to fly with. It's not particulary hard to join them either.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-03-14 09:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Quote:
There has been no real cohesive teamwork from the squids since wbr left tbh ..... DNlevaithan tried it but it was such a task battling with people like u damarr he joined us lol.... gavin is the only one whos come close to unifying the militia since wbr left his militia fleets used to do ok.
. if u say it doesnt make sense to do militia wide roams how come it works so well for the other 3 militias?????


1.) It works for erm... well surely not for system occupancy. Actually amarr made minmatar really butthurt some days ago when minmatars lost 4 carriers, 1 dread and a lot of bs, bc, cruisers. 3 or 4 epic fleet fights. Well I missed it.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16753681
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16750950
Only as example. Minnies got terribly butthurt at the weekend.
And where is amarr militia today? Tier 1 with the minnies at Tier 3.
Well these big fleet fights are only good for one thing: Polishing kb stats. Although in my opinion killmails with 30+ people on it aren´t really impressive.

These big fleet fights have almost no influence to militia tiers.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#31 - 2013-03-14 09:32:31 UTC
sorry colt i was generalising and not meaning just occupancy war..
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#32 - 2013-03-14 11:14:32 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
looking for heterosexual single women in a gay bar.


You keep telling yourself that ;)
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#33 - 2013-03-14 12:16:23 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

Well these big fleet fights are only good for one thing: Polishing kb stats. Although in my opinion killmails with 30+ people on it aren´t really impressive.

These big fleet fights have almost no influence to militia tiers.

What does militia tiers have to do with anything in the end?
The big fleet fights are good for having fun. It's a game, not your life or your job.
Systems will come and go, the tiers will fluctuate. In fact, only caring about tiers would put you in the same category as the farmers. It's not about the isk or the systems your militia owns or the plexes you spin.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#34 - 2013-03-14 13:15:01 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
What does militia tiers have to do with anything in the end?


You are in FW and you need to ask that?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#35 - 2013-03-14 13:31:56 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
What does militia tiers have to do with anything in the end?


You are in FW and you need to ask that?


Of course he doesnt. But im going to explain what i believe to be the overwhelming consensus view to you.

Fact is the plexes, tiers and isk are all catalysts for fun times, be it gudfites, blobbing, small gang, boosted solo, tru solo or whatever. FW is an arena, to encourage PvP.

Though it does appear there are people who like to roleplay occupancy, who seem to consider what a system says in the top left corner of the screen to be the primary focus of FW while being too jaded to appreciate the things that are generated by the fw arena as a whole.

I think most of us can agree that those few people have a confusing outlook on FW. Perhaps they enjoy taking occupancy really seriously, that is both their crime and their punishment imo.
Kron Tronix
Jonas Virpio Corporation
#36 - 2013-03-14 13:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kron Tronix
I would probably feel the same as OP if it wasnt for the awesome leaders of gmva and certain ppls villing to FC (and rock at it) i rarely join public millitia fleets without knowing who the FC is.

At least our FC's will lead us to a glorious death if outnumbered.

Kron

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#37 - 2013-03-14 14:12:12 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Though it does appear there are people who like to roleplay occupancy, who seem to consider what a system says in the top left corner of the screen to be the primary focus of FW while being too jaded to appreciate the things that are generated by the fw arena as a whole.


So you are essentially parroting the old lie that "Caldari take it seriously" and "Gallente take it casually" despite your militia having already stated multiple times they dont want any hostiles living in low-sec to harass your isk farming.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-03-14 14:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Alvo
Was talking w/ a corpmate about this last night...

Basically he said that I haven't been around long enough to experience the high and low tide of FW occupancy. The reason I'm not seeing much coordinated effort/fleets is because CalMil controls most of the systems currently. Everyone is spread out, trying to defend their home systems.

I guess not that long ago, the frogs controlled everything and CalMil had to stage out of hi-sec. Since everyone was lumped together, there were a lot more fleets and more of a concerted effort to regain a foothold. Makes sense.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#39 - 2013-03-14 14:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Though it does appear there are people who like to roleplay occupancy, who seem to consider what a system says in the top left corner of the screen to be the primary focus of FW while being too jaded to appreciate the things that are generated by the fw arena as a whole.


So you are essentially parroting the old lie that "Caldari take it seriously" and "Gallente take it casually" despite your militia having already stated multiple times they dont want any hostiles living in low-sec to harass your isk farming.


Nah, i know for a fact that there are a lot of normal people in the caldai and all other militias. The fact i didnt mention any militia specifically was not an accident. Just the few 'personalities' that seem to have confusing priorities in all militias. Perhaps my post struck a chord with you for a reason?

Also, on a similar note. One person saying something =/= everyone saying something. I know this is a confusing concept best learned as a child, but cognitive developmental issues sometimes prevent this. Its best not to point fingers at parents and upbringing, as its just as likely to be a genetic defect.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#40 - 2013-03-14 15:12:49 UTC
You guys are so precious. Cute!

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