Warfare & Tactics

Thats a very small number of systems flipped by alts. Given that no one seems to care about occupancy now under the current forever grind system its hard to say its preferable. No real goals other than getting a large enough blob to take over a base system.

I'm actually not happy that the pvp is switching to gate camping for farmers.

As far as my playing time - well the game is ok and I like playing it. But spending hours for a few good fights isn't something I want to spend allot more time at. But that is really none of your business, and beside the point that the best occupancy plexers don't pvp at all. If your happy that the system is such that the best occupancy warriors are carebears, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am just pointing out that under the current mechanics the best occupancy plexers are in fact carebears..

Thanks for the info.

I guess no one wants to leave their booster alts. I think what you say is true. We see allot more pvp in the hot systems and not so much of an increase in the back waters.(although even in the back water systems its better than pre-inferno) That the war would become more about who can outblob the other in a few systems was accurately predicted with the station lockout changes.

One of the great things about the faction war plex system is that it could force both sides to leave the blob and spread out The current system is not really doing that. Would you agree?

I go into the systems you mention and can expect to wait around for a fight and then when it finally comes I can expect 5xs my number (probably all boosted since its their home system) to jump in after me. Its better than nothing, and I realize allot of the players may be new so they have to all stick together. (I did too when I was new) But its not really all that great either. Its certainly not the vision of small gang fights happening constantly throughout the warzone.

Even before inferno I knew where to go if I wanted to get blobbed e.g., Hang out on the kourm huola gate.

I don't agree, but close. The previous system didn't force both sides to leave the blob, just like the current system doesn't. However, the current system punishes those that branch out on their own because they can't maintain around the clock control of their system so they can dock.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that people are happier with the current status quo, but aren't satisfied with it - I don't know a single pvp'ing person, outside of a few vocal forum warriors, who would accept that the current system is at all healthy. Yes, it's better than pre-nerf, but the job is not yet done (especially considering FW is farmed just as hard, if not harder, than pre-nerf).

Also, confirming Cearain's laziness is the problem which is causing the rampant plex farming and broken system design which heavily incentivizes avoiding PvP. If he wasn't so lazy, there would be no plex farming.

Confirming that 20-30k vp per day per faction in ships with guns is farming on the same scale or greater than the gunless ships farming well over 100k per day in already vuln systems for the upswing factions pre nerf.

Personally id still like to see timers running backwards on abandoned plexes, however, saying that you are unhappy with the game mechanics is ridiculous. Current FW is better than it has ever been by any measure, except for perhaps bc and above brawls.

The only legitimate complaint imo would be that the players are broken since there is always a demographic that will game any reward system in eve, any other game and irl. Removing rewards is the only way to fix the farmers that are utterly ruining yours and the cearains game. In light of this im pretty sure that most other people who arnt pathologically transfixed by farmers and the occupancy of some remote system could be described as more satisfied than ever before. You know, the guys that are out there shooting stuff, making isk and creating content. Thats my experience.

Its not that im against things improving, just that all suggestions beyond timers rolling back have been worthless.

youve had enough after 2 weeks of posting and decided you should be banned again drama?

The farmers cause volatility in the FW map, and they affect your isk/lp ratio when selling stuff. That's about it. You can argue all you want about how much volatility there should be, or how much you think you are entitled to earn for having fun 23/7. Fair enough.

The best objective figure of merit on how FW Occupany is working out is whether or not the FW map reflects the actual balance of power on the ground. The answer for the most part is 'yes" in the Gallente and Caldari theater- especially if you look at the amount of time a system is held by each side over a period of time (to account for the effects of volatility in unpopulated regions).

What affects the long term stability of a system? The number and quality of pvp'ers on both sides who dedicate themselves to that system.

Cearain, however, is whining that volatility caused by farmers is "winning" or "losing" FW which is clearly not the case. They are just causing systems to flip back and forth relatively quickly in unpopulated areas. So, his whine, and yours are misplaced. You both should really be saying "I want a more stable FW map", and "I am jealous that farmers are making isk at my expense"

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Are you assuming that caldari would not have flipped these systems when they did their own cashout? You just flipped them early. The hord of farmers making 700million isk an hour in gunless frigates would have come to flip them back regardless.

How this strategy would work now when you can't make a system 500% contested and you don't get lp after a system is contested is very questionable.

Moreover all the other changes including the fact that we used to get about 5-8xs as much isk per hour farming plexes was a big issue. The change requiring rats to be killed also had some effect although I think not nearly as much as the isk. Bottom line is that if we were making 7xs as much isk per hour people would have alts flipping the systems now to farm them.

TLDR: you and several others blaming the cashout structure for problems that the actual structure did not cause.


The real issue was and still remains what can we do to make plexing an actual pvp mechanic. That way by the time people made a sytem vulnerable they actually had enough ships explode to justify the pay. In other words the lp should be more of a reimbursement plan rather than a new way to carebear. And no I don't want the pay to be cut. I want the explosions to increase.



You would swing the whole warzone for caldari? I am not sure why you would do that in the cashout system. But really that is sort of the point. The cashout system had some strategy. We may disagree on whether its a good idea to flip the other sides systems early. (there are other reasons why this may hurt your militia in the long run as well) But at least there is some room for reasonable people to discuss strategy. And there was allot of discussion of strategy! Now? Well no. The forever grind system we now have is pretty dumbed down.






I think there are other people who wish the pvp was more abundant and wish the pvp had more of a context. The people in faction war might be mostly content with it. Just like most catholic priests don't think the celebacy requirement is too stringent.

You and XG have stated your objections to what I propose and have been shot down repeatedly. You then drop the topic and just start repeating that my solution is "bad" or "pathetic". This is your and XG's MO. You just keep repeating the conclusory statement that letting people know where plexes are being captured won't help people contest them in pvp. Your view is completely irrational, but whatever.

Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game.

Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.

The systems we actually did flip much earlier were swing because they were just sat there counting towards our system total. As we make a push to tier 5 the caldari could have just come and bashed the bunker. So before out tier 5 push, we simply swung them to caldari, farmed them back to vuln and swung them along with all the other systems as part of out push. This took the uncertainty out of our hands, and the ability for caldari to swing these now newly gallente systems to counter our cashout.

It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear.

I know you are going to igore everything ive said here and just keep saying the same things over and over. Oh well.