Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What gets me going now is the ugly fact that a standard cookie cutter drake with heavies can't break the tank of another drake with the same fit. Lol I tried it and before you ask I have elite missile skills. With hams it is admittedly different but its a long fight. Ferox isn't too bad though, its a useful and versatile ship. Cyclone is next to useless and underforms in terms of dps. Not much missile love these days.

I was referring to the standard cookie cutter fit, that you see in big alliances out in null. My fit is ******* awesome and doesn't include shield power relays and was not the fit being discussed. I do not fly around in crap fits. I leave that to the goons

I personally think the cane is still in good shape. Certainly the armour brawling fits I use on my alt are anyway. All I had to do was drop 1 medium neut and a trimark rig to fit an ancillary rig. That let me fit a T2 1600mm plate and I've kept the same ehp(ish) and I'm actually a little faster. I admit shield canes aren't in a fantastic shape, but I think they compare well with the other options.

The Drake is still top dog, but that really is an issue with shield tanking in general rather than the hull. I have tried to work some fits for doing C2 WHs and so far the Drake wins hands down. The same goes for mission fits.

And yes, the only fit worth a damn on the cyclone is an asb fit. It can't tank as well as a Drake, it can't put out DPS like a Drake and its only saving grace is its marginal speed superiority and its utility highs. That's a big disappointment to me because I like the cyclones model and I had hoped to use it regularly. As its stands the only reason I can see to take it anywhere is solo/small gang PvP. Even then, the Drake fairs just as well.

Between the Drake and the Cyclone, I would like to see one focus on tank and one focus on DPS. The Drake is and always will be a brick. So I would give the cyclone higher DPS.

Yeah Cyclones dps is sad and the buffer fits are massively outclassed by Drakes, but 2 utility highs is quite a big advantage because of the power of neuts, although I would like to see an increase in the damage bonus, the whole 5% -> 10% boost to Harb/Brutix/Drake to keep a utility high really kind of put the Cyclone/Cane in the backseat as they just don't get enough hull bonus IMO. Especially the Cane which doesn't have it's double utility highs anymore and only slightly more effective turrets.

I'd call it....



In analogy to the great (cheap) welpcane.

The prophecy (I flew one last night, first time ever) turned out to be simply amazing considering I can't fit T2 drone upgrades nor T2 drones.

Its extremely tanky, requires no swapping of hardeners with my skills and a T2 med rep, T2 explosive/kin hardeners with a T2 EANM all resists are over 70% besides thermal at high 60.

I had no issues with drones getting damaged.

My fit was something along these lines.
4 HML 2's, 1 DLA.
AB T2, T2 cap rechargers X2 and one drone nav.
3 DDA, 3 resist mods and 1 rep.
2X Nano pumps
1 X Nanobot

Had no issues in Angel extravaganza or the other level 3's I ran. Runs everything but the AB stable, 15 minutes with everything on.
I suspect with better drone skills, the prophecy is going to be one hell of a drone BC, it looks (to me) like it should apply strong dps for a BC, while fielding a tank with no major resist holes.
Its nimble enough with a T2 AB, had good range on the HLM too.
My drone range was 5K longer (55km) than my missile range.

I look forward to fitting a Harby soon as well.
In fact over the next couple of months I want to run all level of missions in all types of ships, from frigates to battle cruisers, just to check out all the new changes.

I might finally get around to flying some of the hulls I always wanted to fly, namely the Rax and some minie boats.

I'd generally agree that the proph is better than the myrmidon for most situations however the myrmidon still holds it's niche as an amazing small scale brawler due to the ability to fit tripple reps dual cap boosters and full tackle.

I have to say i think the BC's are currently at their best balance in a long time, whilst maintaining a relative niche for each.

The Prophecy obviously has an incredible tank but is well of the mark in dps so makes for a great gang boat rather than a solo one. The myrm has immense dps and full tackle/tank ability, great solo ship, but pick your fights. Ferox is excellent, i love its dps and with the resist bonus it works perfectly for a hit an run ship.

Not sure about the Cylone, but It's always good to have ships that people are more willing to fight, before people would avoid canes as they were so overpowered, whereas i think thats resolved now. Infact the cane has definitely been battered the most, it's lost pretty much all of it's positives but still makes for a good, quick dps platform...

Overall really impressed with all the retribution changes, the Cruisers and BC's are much better as a shiptype than they used to be, and im looking forward to hearing about the BS plans now.... a much harder challenge i think.

So after all was said and done... it was ok to put 2 active bonuses on the gallente BC because we can get an overpriced navy variant without active bonus for like 200mil isk? ...awesome....

i like my active brutix dont get me wrong but **** u are crippling my options here guys... why is there no buffer options for gallente bc that dont cost a tonne and dont make me have 1 effective bonus