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stoicfaux
#21 - 2013-03-13 23:39:59 UTC
Sab Sab Five wrote:
Those damn Amarians.

gotta say, they did better than the **** they elected last time.

this guy has the poor on the mind, and given that most folks in this world are oppressed by a monied handful, i would say good show ole chaps.

heh, i have 1.5 lungs. Still more than the pope!


/puts on cynic's hat

They elected a humble, focused-on-the-poor pope. Which means he will probably be a popular pope due to his background, he's smart (university) and trained (Jesuits).

Reasons for picking him:
* to put a kinder softer image on the Church which is necessary given the abuse scandals,
* a fall guy to labor under whatever scandal(s) that are in the "for the current and former pope's eyes only" document.
* a pope of the people that isn't politically savvy enough to control/manage/watchdog the cardinals,
* to solidify Church numbers in South America

OTOH, you don't get to be cardinal without knowing a thing or two about politics. Should be interesting.


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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#22 - 2013-03-13 23:47:49 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
OTOH, you don't get to be cardinal without knowing a thing or two about politics. Should be interesting.


cardinals everywhere disagree with you.

saying: "we was born this way!"
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-03-13 23:51:48 UTC
It's quite strange, being an American residing in Italy. Having grown up Catholic but since shed that burden, and I have to say that Italy is definitely not a place for Catholicism, hehe. On paper, yes, but there really are no true Catholics here...at least I don't know any. The "devout" are usually the elderly who are still brainwashed and just do it out of, ahem, habit, and the rest look at it as what I can only describe as "quaint".

Italians are a pragmatic bunch and have no love or feeling of country or religion, because at the end of the day, to them, being happy is of utmost importance. That's not to say there aren't any devout followers, but nothing like the American Evangelicals who are downright fanatics. It's just strange to see how The Vatican is like one big eye roll for the majority of the people here, and how across the ocean where The Vatican doesn't even enter into their lives how much more fervor they have for their beliefs. It's quite a paradox.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#24 - 2013-03-14 00:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
My parents where Catholics that came from Ireland. My father in particular was disillusioned with the church after some things he experienced there before we left. At the same time they had trouble connecting with the very minority Catholic church groups in Sweden (where we moved) Which means I had a near secular upbringing with only a normal awareness of of the churches teachings. When I become older I later rejoined the faith for several reasons. One being it helped me cope with some personal and psychological issues. Especially the grounded moral teachings. Albeit arbitrary to most, it helped me.

As for Italians. I have worked in Italy and they seemed to be pretty well connected to the church but not to a flamboyant degree but rather in confident, quiet, acknowledgement.

I also managed a 45 minute conversation with an old Italian man who did not speak a word of English while I did not speak a world of Italian we still did it somehow. It was mostly about food. His wife was good at cooking bit he strongly disliked her sister.


The pope is an easy target for intolerant young agnostics. This thread has made that abundantly clear but he is a kind old man who cares very deeply for the people in his charge. But like all elderly people he is a victim of his experiences. Like many older conservatives he wants to preserve the good but change is at his heels and he feels that change will not move the bad to good without risking the good he wishes to preserve.

He is not prepared to roll a dice over the future.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Hrothgar Nilsson
#25 - 2013-03-14 00:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
I've noticed a lot of talk about the election of Francis on the net and in the media as if this is some kind of huge change, the new pope being from Latin America and all. The guy comes from the most European nation in the Western Hemisphere; Argentina is even more heavily European than any western European state.

I also got a good laugh out of NBC's comments after the new pope finished speaking, something like: "He speaks Italian so well, he's learned it so well that he almost speaks it perfectly despite growing up speaking Spanish."

The man grew up speaking Italian. He probably started to pick up Spanish from the kids in the neighborhood and when he started school.

Also got a good laugh out of him being characterized as the "first Hispanic pope" - Hispanic is an American appellation/designation, I seriously doubt Francis has thought of himself within that construct.

Akita T wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The first to be called Francesco(?).
A humble name for a jesuite, latin american pope.
Let's see how this turns out...


Francis I (from some Italian patron saint)

Not sure if you were correcting him or not, but the names of popes take the form of the name in each respective language.

Francesco
Francisco
Franz
Frans
Francis
Francois
Franciszek
Franjo

Like John Paul would be Ivan Pavel in Russian.

And I don't mean to be pedantic, but there's no regnal number. Not unless and until there's a Pope Francis II. If there never is he'll always be known as just Pope Francis.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#26 - 2013-03-14 02:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
the names of popes take the form of the name in each respective language.

Interesting. Had no idea.

P.S. Kind of weird though. Doesn't that get kind of confusing ? I mean, I guess there's not more than one active pope at any given time, but still...

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-14 02:25:36 UTC
As a non catholic but as someone with a strong interest in all things religious and historical, this is an interesting development i must say.

Going to be interesting to see what changes / impact he makes. Im wondering as he is a Jesuit, could we see more Jesuits in high office soon.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
pussnheels
Viziam
#28 - 2013-03-14 06:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
indeed another old arch conservative , whio actually indirectly supported the argentinian dictatorship back in the 80 s by doing nothing

Great choice

different face same noise

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
#29 - 2013-03-14 10:20:08 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Francis I (from some Italian patron saint)

Specifically, St. Francis of Assisi, who founded the Franciscan Order.

Does Graygor have to turn in his halo backlighting now, since he lost the election?
Hrothgar Nilsson
#30 - 2013-03-16 00:10:11 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
the names of popes take the form of the name in each respective language.

Interesting. Had no idea.

P.S. Kind of weird though. Doesn't that get kind of confusing ? I mean, I guess there's not more than one active pope at any given time, but still...

I don't think it does.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#31 - 2013-03-16 11:41:36 UTC
Habemus papa, papá!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
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