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FW: Lack of Organization

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Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-13 15:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Alvo
You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian ****!
- Gy Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket, 1987)
[NSFW]

I'm kinda new to FW, but one thing has become quite clear already. Caldari Militia needs to get it together. When I see a frog in local, there is almost always someone (or 3, or 20) ready to back them up. Meanwhile, CalMil scatter like ants in a rain storm if anything shows up on short scan at a plex gate. What gives?

Intel channels are mostly dead.
CalMil.org is a barren wasteland.
Fleets seem few and far between.

Just seems like we are taking a lot of unnecessary casualties by flying solo, when the enemy clearly is not. I'm not talking about individual corp or alliance efforts, but the overall picture.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2013-03-13 15:29:20 UTC
Join Evejoke.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-13 15:36:09 UTC
I think you're overestimating the level of organisation other militias have as compared to yours. There are days in every militia when it's hard to get a cohesive effort, and certain times of day when intel channels are underpopulated and silent. Every militia has its issues, and the Caldari militia's issue is generally that certain members have very serious attitude problems which makes other people unwilling to work together. Meanwhile, in the Gallente militia, our people teld to be incredibly tied to one or two particular systems and rarely go outside of them, which means systems which aren't home to a defence bloc (such as the one Mixed Metaphor is nominally a part of) tend to get neglected. The middle of northern Placid, due to its scarcity of systems, is a particularly good example of this.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-13 15:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Yes fleeting up is more efficent. All gal fleets I saw got actually always killed brutaly by amarr militia fleets. So yeah fleeting up is a solution. Blob vs Blob.
But doing this you can also go immediately to Nullsec.
Primary F1.... secondary F1....tertiary....blah.
Yeah 98% kb efficience but 0,1% are solo kills. LOL. Uber pilots^^

BUT: Concerning fun---------> solo and small gang is really a lot cooler.
Not as effective (in staging systems) like getting a 40+ armor cruiser gang but in my opinion a lot more fun.

So you have a decision to make: Fun or effieciency.
And btw: small gang guerilla tactics work very well if your opponent is terrible bad at it (Minmatar for example).
Concerning system occupancy 8 groups of 5 pilots in 8 different systems will do a lot better than a big group of 40 in one system.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#5 - 2013-03-13 16:03:39 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
First of all, we're the amphibians, not you.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-03-13 16:14:41 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I think you're overestimating the level of organisation other militias have as compared to yours.


Maybe so. I've only been doing this for a couple weeks, and had delusions of grandeur of a highly organized military effort. Apparently that's not the case.

Colt Blackhawk wrote:
BUT: Concerning fun---------> solo and small gang is really a lot cooler.
Not as effective (in staging systems) like getting a 40+ armor cruiser gang but in my opinion a lot more fun.


I agree, and I would really like to see more small gang opportunities as opposed to blobs. As referenced above, I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.

X Gallentius wrote:
First of all, we're the amphibians, not you.


I realize. Emphasis was on the unorganized part, not the scientific breakdown of species. Roll

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#7 - 2013-03-13 16:21:04 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:


I agree, and I would really like to see more small gang opportunities as opposed to blobs. As referenced above, I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.

That mostly depends on your corp/alliance, though general militia (at least for the Gallente) almost always seems to have a fleet up. Though, the size of it greatly varies and often ventures into blob without a cause mode.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#8 - 2013-03-13 16:27:50 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
I realize. Emphasis was on the unorganized part, not the scientific breakdown of species. Roll

Maybe your corp wasn't invited into the new Squid Militia Coalition intel channel yet. If not, I suggest you join another corporation that is better connected to the bittervet groups.
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#9 - 2013-03-13 16:28:16 UTC
People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore.

No instead you expect someoene else to magically find you the entertainment you seek ... you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up. In either case there should never have been a forum post about this.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#10 - 2013-03-13 16:34:28 UTC
RavenTesio wrote:
People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore.
It's ok; calm down. We've been living in Tier 2 for a week after having been in Tier 1 for a month or so and it's all good. Where's greg and his "Hallow Victory" posts now?
/troll Big smile (Raven is mostly correct except for the part about him letting a noob affect his emotional health)

JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#11 - 2013-03-13 16:51:20 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
All gal fleets I saw got actually always killed brutaly by amarr militia fleets.


We gals dropped into minnie space over the weekend and got some good kills -- then we spent 20 minutes trying to tackle a gang 3 times our size and it kept running away.

I invite you to take a trip up here and put your money where your mouth is.

RavenTesio wrote:
you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up


What gives you the right to speak to anyone like this?

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2013-03-13 16:58:23 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:


Concerning system occupancy 8 groups of 5 pilots in 8 different systems will do a lot better than a big group of 40 in one system.


It depends what you mean by "better." If you only care about 5 or 6 systems then your better off just getting in the blob and sitting in those systems.

If you actually wanted to progress in the tier system ccp set out then spreading out would be more efficient. But it seems very few care about that since the cashouts ended.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#13 - 2013-03-13 17:03:59 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
I invite you to take a trip up here and put your money where your mouth is.
And give us a heads up when you bring your 40 man gang next time so we can form up more quickly. Not used to seeing 40 man blobs in USTZ.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-13 17:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Alvo
RavenTesio wrote:
People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore.

No instead you expect someoene else to magically find you the entertainment you seek ... you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up. In either case there should never have been a forum post about this.


If you're so bitter, then maybe you should step down. Someone earlier remarked that some of the militia has a serious attitude problem, and your post appears to give that statement credibility.

You're right about one thing, though. There shouldn't be a forum post about this. There are resources available that aren't being utilized, because if they were, this thread wouldn't need to exist in the first place.

[EDIT] Let's not turn this into a squids vs frogs "who brings the bigger blob" thread. There's other chest-puffing threads available for that. Thanks.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2013-03-13 17:27:39 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
.You're right about one thing, though. There shouldn't be a forum post about this. There are resources available that aren't being utilized, because if they were, this thread wouldn't need to exist in the first place.
(perhaps it still doesn't need to exist)
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#16 - 2013-03-13 17:37:18 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
RavenTesio wrote:
you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up


What gives you the right to speak to anyone like this?


Being an ******** gives me that right, go on argue with that logic...

X Gallentius wrote:
It's ok; calm down. We've been living in Tier 2 for a week after having been in Tier 1 for a month or so and it's all good. Where's greg and his "Hallow Victory" posts now?
/troll (Raven is mostly correct except for the part about him letting a noob affect his emotional health)


Nah I'm calm just in a bit more of a grumpy mood than usual, been ill the past few days and been going bloody stir crazy at home.
As I understand a good few peeps have been working a shedload recently, but then again some damn awesome games came out so could just be an excuse to ignore everyone and play Simcity for hours each day.

There is something a little satisfying about creating a crime ridden city then unleashing it on other unsuspecting people without much in the way of a police force ^_^

Then again I've notice there has been a large number of people on both sides that seem to be a bit more MIA than usual, just that time of year I guess ... won't really get busy again for another month when CCP promise us some true awesome kick-ass stuff that they'll never actually deliver lol

I mean you seen the state of DUST 514 still? especially with it's "immersive" FW link.. still can't see a point in them just to make plexing a system slightly easier / harder. Hell the best part of Orbital Bombardment right now is it seems to an awesome way to get the local pirates of a system to come fight... certainly isn't the lil mail you get sent saying "yay you killed some PS3 players, aren't you happy now?"

Kinda wish you could listen in on the game, hear the tears from them about it - even then dunno feels like being a glorified care package.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#17 - 2013-03-13 17:53:38 UTC
Kane,

It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-13 17:59:14 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
Kane,

It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things.


Ya, maybe you're right. There are fleets available, objectives, etc. on the corp/alliance level...I'm not referring to that at all. I guess I expected there to be more of a formal chain of command, with leaders relaying well drawn battle plans that get passed down through the ranks. I thought the intel channels would be abuzz with information about WTs, gate camps, etc. Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations about how it all works.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#19 - 2013-03-13 18:10:19 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
Juan Rayo wrote:
Kane,

It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things.


Ya, maybe you're right. There are fleets available, objectives, etc. on the corp/alliance level...I'm not referring to that at all. I guess I expected there to be more of a formal chain of command, with leaders relaying well drawn battle plans that get passed down through the ranks. I thought the intel channels would be abuzz with information about WTs, gate camps, etc. Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations about how it all works.



Its true your expections are not reality but they were not unreasonable.

The core goal of fw - gaining occupancy - is something most of the pvpers really don't care about. (at least outside their base system)

There were some groups in the amarr militia who put together channels to help people fight the occupancy war. But manually typing in the info on everyone you see plexing is a bit too much of a chore for a game, and so the channel was pretty much empty.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#20 - 2013-03-13 18:37:57 UTC
works for us gallentes lol people should really stop being lazy ***** if taking a few seconds to type intel is a bit much..... in b4 cearains "if we had a notification system people wouldnt have to type" bullshit
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