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How many SP does your suicide ganker pilot have?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#81 - 2013-03-12 11:23:49 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:


But what it "IS" however is a classic military tactic in long use ever since... well as far back as my reading goes... but it's not called a fight or a battle, it's called an "Ambush"... and the point of an ambush is that your opponent doesn't have a chance if you do it right.

ambush - verb
ambush·es; ambushed; ambush·ing
[+ obj] : to attack (someone or something) by surprise from a hidden place
▪ We have reports of enemy soldiers ambushing civilians on this road. — often used as (be) ambushed ▪ He was ambushed and killed by robbers on his way home.

But it still aint PvP.


Ambush is the wrong word, the New Order are very vocal when they're working, so if you get caught by surprise, it's your own fault for not paying attention. They only hiding they do is when they're under GCC, it's a logical decision to stay docked up during that timer.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Fawn Tailor
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-03-12 13:57:01 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
But... we could train our noobies all about the ebil gankers so they would find all their juicy targets... all nicely tanked and or escorted... The problem isn't 'safety''or 'Gankers' it's new players who have not been properly prepared for the realities of our virtuality.

Where does New Order Logistics get it's multi-billion ISK pod kills from? New players? Really?

How are you going to train the older players and the low and nullsec mining alts who just want to be able to AFK in Highsec?

Answer: you're not.

They don't want to be trained, they want CCP to take care of them so that they can keep farming ISK at the rate of 2 clicks per hour while they watch reruns of MASH.

Your "new players are being victimised by gankers" argument is the same one that Ripard has been touting, and this argument has been demolished.

Now gimme a 'gf' and move on.

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-03-13 15:12:08 UTC
Agent Trask wrote:
The best way to train noobies about ganking is to teach them how to gank.

Which is something we do. If you can fly a destroyer after completing your advanced combat career agent quests, seek us out. Doesn't matter what faction ... fit blasters on a Catalyst or Cormorant, autocannons on a Thrasher, and pulse lasers on a Coercer.

We will get you baptized in short order.


Gank a noobie once, and he'll just burn for a day. Teach him how to gank and he will throw himself into the fires of CONCORD his whole life.


There is truth in this. My ganking experience has completely changed my attitude toward EVE. I was (still am) a noob player, but I am a very different player now. Before my experience with the New Order, a ship loss was upsetting and tragic to me. Such thinking was a real obstacle to my progression in the game. A ganker leaves the station knowing his ship is lost. And knowing that losing a ship is no big deal. I won't be a ganker forever, not that there's anything wrong with that. But what I learn as a ganker will stay with me for as long as I play the game.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#84 - 2013-03-13 15:54:26 UTC
When I used them for ganking, my thrasher alts had ca. 4M SP. Since I don't do that much anymore they're now in retirement trading in Jita or minding a spacecoffin :/
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-03-15 01:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Herr Wilkus wrote:
i have serious issues with myself and i get easily manipulated into talking crap about people i have no clue of. I might even be jealous, because i believe i'm better, but nobody outside my own kind knows or likes me, so i talk bad about him to make myself feel better. I simply dislike him and always tell lies as facts, because nobody can tell if i *really* know him or not. Also, i believe that killing the most generic target is some sort of achievement and not actually generic. And killboards always prove everything.

Now to the actually relevant people ...


Fawn Tailor wrote:
I would love to hear how you use a -10 sec status character to gank without having some means of getting warpin on your target, anytime I stay in the same spot in Highsec in anything other than a pod for more than a handful of seconds I get blapped by facpo.

I guess I could use a pod to place a bookmark, but then there's no option to scan the ship and work out if I can actually take it out or not.

But like Agent Trask said, we are pretty new to this, so please, how do you do it?
I don't shoot miners, but that's not really relevant. Ship is ship anyway.
In this case, the environment can be used as advantage.
Even if not, that just makes it a bit more complicated, or challenging.

I fail to understand your issue. You gank miners. Miners sit in belts.
All roids can be warped towards to. (works in ice-belts, doesn't work in regular ones ?)
You can create bookmarks mid-warp easily.
You can create a bookmark next to a miner by warping to a roid that's close.
You can warp to bookmarks at range, creating the right angle to warp right ontop of a miner.
You don't need tanks in belts in destroyers, thus can field sebo and ship-scanner.
You can lock, scan, align to bookmark, wait until the scan finished, warp off.
You can even warp with the facpo aggressing, because the initial web is irrelevant.

Sure it's more work ... but you save an alt (more dps?) and it's more challenging.

What's the issue ?
Wanna give it a go together ?
Maybe on the weekend ? (tomorrow, friday, is rather bad)

YOU talk a lot ? I can do that too. ^_^
Send me an evemail and we can work this out. :)

(edit: totally forgot ... in most systems you can just use a heated mwd vigil to move around on grid ...)
(tested it in 0.7. it works. i'm looking forward to flying with you. ^_^)