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The difference between a carebear and an EVE industrialist

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Dave Stark
#41 - 2013-03-13 12:00:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's a damn good ship to mine in, cheap to replace, tanks like a monster, mines as much as a Retriever,


no, it doesn't.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#42 - 2013-03-13 12:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dave Stark wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's a damn good ship to mine in, cheap to replace, tanks like a monster, mines as much as a Retriever,


no, it doesn't.


I beg to differ, a Procuror with a Strip Miner I and an MLU I mines exactly the same m3 per cycle as a Retriever with 2 Strip Miner I and an MLU I, at least with my mining alts skills. The difference is in the Ore hold, not the quantity mined per cycle, I can but don't use crystals or Strip Miner IIs, not worth it in highsec tbh for the amount that I mine.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-03-13 12:36:57 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Of course they are not Industrialists.

Don't you read the forums, they are just risk free slackers choosing to do nothing but build supers in their super comfy chairs. Lol


Do people actually say this? Anybody who honestly believes that supercapital building is risk-free must be totally ignorant of how that stuff works.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#44 - 2013-03-13 12:58:07 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Carebear checking in!

I dont even really understand why this is a discussion... Everyone (should) knows that there are really no "set" terms on a player, weather its carebear, pirate, empire hugger, 0.0 dweller or merc. The more people you ask what the different term "means" the more different answers you will get.

As an example.
Quite recently my corp got accused of being "naughty pirates". Why? Because we did not approve of someone coming into the WH we occupy and doing the sites. In my own opinion thats not piracy, thats defending your terretory and resourses. But for the person who got blown up, we are pirates. And believe me this is not the first time i have heard this one Lol

So why do i call my self a carebear? Because i dont enjoy the idea of destroying someone elses ship/pixels.
This does not mean that no carebears likes to PVP, and it does not mean that there is no truth to the...ideas people have about what makes someone a carebear. But i would like to think that people would accept that just because one person they met acted like this, it does not mean that everyone else that has the same "title" thinks or feels the same way.


I personally would define you as an industrialist. There's nothing wrong with the playstyle, we need the industrial arm of EVE to keep us in ships and pewpewing. You play EVE, defend your territory, accept shiploss, etc. You don't whine to CCP for changes, you adapt and overcome. It's an honorable way to play, and I wish you many space-riches.

Now, a carebear, in my book, plays EVE like a single player game, and cries when someone forces some multiplayer action on them.They want the devs to adapt the game around them, rather than vice versa.

Take notes, friends. Be an awesome industrialist like NightCrawler 85. Don't be an annoying carebear.


Agreed.

Same stance here -- "I don't care for violence, but it is often a necessary evil..."

(space-likes to anyone who knows what that's from Smile)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-03-13 13:17:19 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's a damn good ship to mine in, cheap to replace, tanks like a monster, mines as much as a Retriever,


no, it doesn't.
The ore hold was smaller than a retriever, so overall my ability to mine was less per hour... but it was a good ship. I never really felt threatened in that ship: it was too in-expensive and to 'tanked' to be attractive to 'gankers'.

I always wanted a Skiff, but got out of mining and into L4s before I had the skills.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-03-13 13:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
Friggz wrote:
To me a much shorter explanation would be this:

A carebear doesn't like pvp and also feels they should be completely immune to it if they so choose and would perfer to only engage in activites with no risk.

An industrialist doesn't like pvp but recognizes it is a part of EvE. They weigh the pros and cons and take risks they believe will ultimately benefit them in the long run.



Didn't completely read the OP because TL;DR, but this is pretty much spot on.

Haulie Berry wrote:
The industrialist doesn't mine.

Mining is peasant work.


Also this.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-03-13 13:40:44 UTC
Damn... and here I was expecting another "A carebear, a nullbear and a low sec pirate walk into a bar one day... " joke thread... leaving EXTREMELY disappointed. P

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2013-03-13 13:53:11 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Damn... and here I was expecting another "A carebear, a nullbear and a low sec pirate walk into a bar one day... " joke thread... leaving EXTREMELY disappointed. P

A carebear, a nullbear, and a lowsec pirate walk into a bar and walk up to the barman.

“Why do you let these people into the bar?!”, asks the carebear. “I pay you money to be able to sit down and drink my tea.” He then sits down and mutters about other people having the audacity to frequent the same public establishment he does.

“Why do you you only serve tea?!” asks the nullbear. “When I pay money in a bar, I expect it to serve me something more than that.” He then takes his cup of tea and sits down to compose a letter to the proprietor explaining why bars should serve strong drinks.

Finally, the lowsec pirate saunters up to the barman. “Give me all your money!”
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-03-13 14:08:33 UTC
CONFIRMING I AM A CAREBEAR Lol
Notorious Fellon
#50 - 2013-03-13 14:50:29 UTC
Why the need to label people? Everyone is unique and exists in gray areas on all scales. Placing the label "carebear" or "nullbear" on anyone is childish at best. I am certain I may have done it in the past, but I try to avoid it. Starting a thread over it? Move on people...move on.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-03-13 15:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Both the carebear and the industrialist ask, Why do you so so badly at PvP that you have to gank exhumers that can't shoot back, just to grow your epeen?

Real PvPers fight other players that are ready and looking for a fight.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2013-03-13 15:25:17 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Both the carebear and the industrialist ask, Why do you so so badly at PvP that you have to gank exhumers that can't shoot back, just to grow your epeen?
…whereas the industrialist rubs his hands with glee at the increased sales. Blink
Velicitia
XS Tech
#53 - 2013-03-13 15:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Both the carebear and the industrialist ask, Why do you so so badly at PvP that you have to gank exhumers that can't shoot back, just to grow your epeen?

Real PvPers fight other players that are ready and looking for a fight.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal



I wouldn't say that someone ganking Exhumers (or anything for that matter) is "bad" at PvP.

Yes, what they did was underhanded. Yes, it pisses people off. But what it doesn't (inherently) show is that the person is "bad" at PvP (they might be ... but killing exhumers doesn't prove they are).

I'm honestly 100% "bad" at FiS PvP. BUT that hasn't stopped me from looking for fights in low ... or stepping up if/when dec'd...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Alara IonStorm
#54 - 2013-03-13 15:41:26 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

I wouldn't say that someone ganking Exhumers (or anything for that matter) is "bad" at PvP.

Yes, what they did was underhanded. Yes, it pisses people off. But what it doesn't (inherently) show is that the person is "bad" at PvP (they might be ... but killing exhumers doesn't prove they are).

I'm honestly 100% "bad" at FiS PvP. BUT that hasn't stopped me from looking for fights in low ... or stepping up if/when dec'd...

People who lose ships by an underhanded blow like a gank need to have something to hang their hat on. That they are cowardly has always been the go to self motivation tool for people who have been set upon by a more powerful force in real life and fiction.

Some people who do PvP in combat see it as a play style rather then an event and get to tout and enjoy their assumed superiority.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#55 - 2013-03-13 15:43:22 UTC
An industrialist knows that ships blowing up is a good thing, and sometimes that ship will be his own. *

A carebear as I understand the term is more someone who wishes they wouldn't blow up at all. Or would respawn like in that star trek mmo or something. I see no causal connection between being an industrialist and not being interested in the pvp elements of the game.

* true story, when I first started playing I used to sit an alt in a belt in arnon mining, on this particular occasion a noctis warped into belt and started salvaging wrecks and then promptly turned red having heartlessly stolen the 100 antimatter I left in a wreck. I swapped to a frigate and destroyed him, at that age even shooting an unarmed ship felt like an acheivement. So I was pretty happy with my day at this point, when lo and behold 2 minutes later someone buys one of my noctis' and 3 salvager rigs. No it couldn't be... but it was! The very same thief, buying his redemption from me.

From that moment on I always knew my desire to learn pvp and skills at manufacturing and trading would become inextricably linked.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#56 - 2013-03-13 15:46:02 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Velicitia wrote:

I wouldn't say that someone ganking Exhumers (or anything for that matter) is "bad" at PvP.

Yes, what they did was underhanded. Yes, it pisses people off. But what it doesn't (inherently) show is that the person is "bad" at PvP (they might be ... but killing exhumers doesn't prove they are).

I'm honestly 100% "bad" at FiS PvP. BUT that hasn't stopped me from looking for fights in low ... or stepping up if/when dec'd...

People who lose ships by an underhanded blow like a gank need to have something to hang their hat on. That they are cowardly has always been the go to self motivation tool for people who have been set upon by a more powerful force in real life and fiction.

Some people who do PvP in combat see it as a play style rather then an event and get to tout and enjoy their assumed superiority.


They can sell the ganker a new catalyst? Bear

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#57 - 2013-03-13 15:58:45 UTC
Thread cleaned up further. Please don't troll or flame just because you have another opinion, kthx.

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T'Laar Bok
#58 - 2013-03-13 16:01:05 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
T'Laar Bok wrote:
Your post is what is conceived by the common riffraff and you as stereotypical carebear behavior and yet in a few lines I proved you incorrect in your assumptions. Stop trying to fit everyone in a box that is to your liking.

The rest TL;DR.


you completely missed the point of the OP.


As I didn't read the entire post that doesn't surprise me. But I believe I got my point across that putting people in nice neat little boxes especially in this game is almost pointless.

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Dave Stark
#59 - 2013-03-13 16:04:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's a damn good ship to mine in, cheap to replace, tanks like a monster, mines as much as a Retriever,


no, it doesn't.


I beg to differ, a Procuror with a Strip Miner I and an MLU I mines exactly the same m3 per cycle as a Retriever with 2 Strip Miner I and an MLU I, at least with my mining alts skills. The difference is in the Ore hold, not the quantity mined per cycle, I can but don't use crystals or Strip Miner IIs, not worth it in highsec tbh for the amount that I mine.


except you won't leave the retriever's third low slot empty, you'll put another mlu in there, so it'll mine more than a procurer.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#60 - 2013-03-13 16:10:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Damn... and here I was expecting another "A carebear, a nullbear and a low sec pirate walk into a bar one day... " joke thread... leaving EXTREMELY disappointed. P

A carebear, a nullbear, and a lowsec pirate walk into a bar and walk up to the barman.

“Why do you let these people into the bar?!”, asks the carebear. “I pay you money to be able to sit down and drink my tea.” He then sits down and mutters about other people having the audacity to frequent the same public establishment he does.

“Why do you you only serve tea?!” asks the nullbear. “When I pay money in a bar, I expect it to serve me something more than that.” He then takes his cup of tea and sits down to compose a letter to the proprietor explaining why bars should serve strong drinks.

Finally, the lowsec pirate saunters up to the barman. “Give me all your money!”


Lol

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