EVE General Discussion

Yes but has CCP has shown they do love their money.

So unfortunately your actions are going to give those ships the EHP of a POS.

Frankly ganking has its place, in this case scamming billions out of suckers for shares.

But your actions have caused the wrath of Trebor so now he is trying to find ways to make Hi-sec even safer.

I keep asking this question and an answer never comes up, how are people being scammed for shares?

You can not own shares in something that has no value, so the fact that you call them shares shows it is a con.

Cool story bro, enjoy the horrible themepark MMO that trebor and the like dream of - all in the name of subscriptions. See how that works out.

But James seems to acknowledge that non consensual war decs are unsustainable which means that they die out or are designed out. What he doesn’t like is that someone is trying to be proactive on the issue and go down the design route rather than risk waking up one morning and finding that something has simply become extinct. By going with design there is control which means that options beyond all or nothing exist, that is sensible. Blundering on towards a dead end for the sake of it makes no sense.

It's still not a scam, all of the shareholders in the New Order knew full well that they would get a zero monetary return on their investment when they placed it. It's like donating to a charity, you give the New Order cash and they redistribute it to someone else in the form of an explosion instead of food or water.

Not all rewards or returns have to be in a monetary form, for example James pays dividends out on a daily basis, while not monetary they have an intrinsic value, that value comes in the form of laughter, camaraderie, making fun of other peoples stupidity, gank ship reimbursements and last but not least, an amusingly written, if completely over the top, blog.

I know that I've had a very good lols per isk return on my meagre investment in shares, and I've more than compensated myself for the initial investment, by taking advantage of the ensuing chaos and destruction and trading in goods they create a demand for. It's no different from hiring Mercs to run the competition out of the local asteroid belts, although it's considerably cheaper in the long run.

That's funny then why have I seen someone trying to sell them and then get annoyed when no one wanted the majority of them?

I doubt James realises that it’s what he thinks but it is what he says and at some point in the future he will manage to pull all the parts he has together and realise that thought. Unfortunately his pace is little slow so I skipped ahead and put his disparate ramblings into that coherent point that he will eventually make directly. You only have to be familiar with what he has written to realise this.

Subscriptions are not a good measure; unique subscribers could be but even then wouldn’t mean much. We are never going to know how many customers CCP has but we do all know that they are making efforts to milk the ones they have with almost constant opportunities for us to ‘save’ money by giving it to CCP. We can therefore assume that subscription numbers will reflect the effectiveness of such offers. They should also reflect simpler things – if the appeal of Eve remained constant then the number of people playing should increase by itself, there are three quarters of a billion more potential customers on the planet today than there were a decade ago, about twenty percent more Americans use the internet today than a decade ago and in the UK alone over six million more households have internet access. Subscriber numbers are a complicated metric to use and out of context make great headlines but simply opening your eyes will tell you more about what is going on with the game.

The big alliances use war games rather than the war system, a one man disposable corp is king in Hi-sec and even if you want to be social and be part of a larger corp you just drop to an NPC corp for the duration of a war and rejoin when it’s over. That is of course if you need to log in at all, at that point a player is open to question if they need to subscribe at all.
To suggest that the non consensual war system is achieving anything other than its avoidance seems naive and if people are avoiding it then it is unsustainable.

Making a themepark, PvP optional MMO in a time when 99% of the competition is a themepark, PvP optional MMO is financial suicide. Just look how well being a WoW clone worked for SWTOR and it had more budget for voice actors alone than Eve has total.


Your paragraph is incomprehensible, ironically.


All it needs is a patch to close exploits just like the bounty system did. They need to make it so nobody can leave a corp during a war.

I agree completely. If you try to please everybody you're going to please nobody. Everyone has different taste and losing subscriptions is inevitable. For every subscription you lose because you have a feature, some other game lost a subscriber for not having that feature.