Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like this idea. It makes sense that the frontiers of each faction's borders would be lowsec, where FW takes place, and systems move back and forth in ownership. I'm hoping to see freighters with module & rig slots in the future, so they could be fortified for journeys into this bold new frontier Plus, it'd revitalize lowsec a great deal, which isn't a bad thing at all.

Love this idea, and it could be interated over time. Start by switching a few systems from hi-sec to low sec each expansion until there is no direct route from empire to empire.

I dare you to take a cruiser and go into low sec, with a few minor exceptions you will find that it is completely safe and any threats are exaggerated by carebears who had their mission boat ganked or who are just terrified of low sec.

I only die in low sec when I choose to get into a fight. On my alt that does trade for a null sec corporation I use wormholes that lead to empire low sec open constantly and I have moved through iterons with hundreds of millions in them about 10 times (give or take) anywhere from 2-9 jumps.

Give up your false belief that low sec is only for antisocial monsters that just want to make you cry like a baby. Most gate camps with a few minor exceptions (rancer and ammamake) are quickly broken up by the local residents who would much rather kill fail pirates than sit for hours to gank badgers.

I always thought that there should be low sec between factions at war, a short high sec route to their allie and a long high sec route to their "not really at war" partner.

So, if you were in gallente high sec, you should be able to take a short high sec route to minmatar space or a long high sec route to amarr space.

If you wanted to get from Gallente to Caldari space you would need to take a "long" high sec route just to get into amarr space, then into caldari space OR head into Minmatar space and take the long route along to caldari space.

There should of course be lots of possible low sec paths (of varying safety/lengths) between the empires. I'm fine with bottleneck routes through high sec, but I think low sec should allow more possible comparable routes.

Also, low sec is not dangerous. Short of a couple of systems it is safer than high sec. If I need to make a run of 15 jumps through high sec or 15 jumps through low sec in my transport ship with 10 billion of cargo I will take the low sec route. It is no easier to catch/kill a ship in low sec and there are a LOT less people/gankers there.

-FM

My point was that it would ruin the game for those that are NOT bots.


This harms those that want to actually play the game part of the game, not the part where they are space pinata.


The logic here is very simple. If trading were going to be so easy to avoid low sec despite these changes, why bother? If it does not do anything but make stuff a little harder on folks, what's the point?

Point is that you are soft selling the hardship you want to cause so as to get yourself some fat new targets delivered fresh to your door daily, in such a way that you don't have to do any work for it and the risk remains 100% on the bears you want to hunt that are currently evading you.

You need an chain of events, to reach such a state of affairs.
Today -> something happens -> something happens -> What you are describing becomes a reality.

Ideas about " something happens ":

Incursions gone wild,
Empires turn their attentions inwards,
failing to see the end game tactics of the invading NPC's:
which was annihilating border fortifications and managing partial or overpowering takeover.

GIve or take one or more " something happens "

There is a very serious problem though,
what about all the people, that are just playing for the graphics and chill.

Maybe a limited effect of " end game tactic " (not all boarders are split)

. . . -> something happens . . .

More " something happens " ->

There are occupational opportunities here,
escort missions across disputed territory
( between CONCORD and NPC ).

Territory that does not necessarily permit Players to engage other players,
yet the NPC would. . . or not..

This is the way the game should be.

CCP do eeeeet!

My guess is, you'd get downvotes by haulers and upvotes by pirates, whichever side is prevalent on these forums would "win". In any case, I believe the idea to be bad, you're essentially trying to force low sec down the people's throats, which rarely ends well. Give em a reason to leave high sec and I assure you, they'll do so en masse, no silly forced solutions are necessary. True traders will follow wherever the customers are, even deep in null sec.

I like the idea + what Sinigr said.

People should be able to enter lowsec without (or low) risk (if highsec-isles are implemented).
Why? It´s good to have people in lowsec. Oh, don´t put npc-stations in the very first lowsec system after highsec ;-).

It ruins it for those that are not bots because all it does is screw up markets and force people that like to move around high sec for whatever reason into low sec--- an area of space rightfully avoided by most of the population as a murderious wasteland. It's not that it's impossible, overly difficult, or overly costly in terms of ISK to survive there----It simply isn't worth the hassle the gankers represent to even pass through there. YOUR point may be about getting haulers through there. I have nothing to do with haulers other than buying their stuff from station buy orders, and I've never been to Jita.

You made it clear that you can soft sell the dangers inherant in playing the space pinata. At no point are you willing to take on the role for yourself, or even simply put up the orders that would lure brave pinatas to their doom in systems you want to 'hunt' in. As soon as any risk attaches to your side of the equation you become disinterested. You want to set up a situation where people are not allowed to choose their risk (sandbox) but rather are forced into the role you want them to play because working to set up the situation you want is too hard, takes too long, or is too risky for you.

Last I checked, Laziness wasn't against the games rules. Autopilot is a tool to be used as the pilot sees fit. Feel free to go forth and gank a hauler in highsec autopiloting for eternity to the next gate. It will cost you a ship, but that is the price you should be willing to pay upon undocking anyway. Laziness also doesn't appear to just be on the side of the hauler... you yourself are so frustrated in your hunting that you want the game changed so that all you have to do is wait in one spot for prey forced into your target box. Pirate lifestyles are all about being proactive--- go find something to do and quit complaining that other subscribers won't agree to be your helpless prey.

I don't have a point about bots, except that they would not be affected by your changes. It may get their creators to alter them a bit, but the changes you want made are almost purely a quality of life change to force behaviors into a paradigm you want, and that affects a botter not at all. Bots are all about makeing poor game design based on tedious repetitious tasks a non-issue. You seem to be wild about them, one way or another, but nothing you have proposed will do more than inconvienence their creators for a day or 3.

You telling people exactly how to evade the changes your are proposing is something that comes across as completely altruistic and trust worthy. Really. It is completely clear you totally have nothing in your heart but the wellfare of the game and all those who play it, regardless of their chosen playstyle.

I'm not a 'poor persecuted carebear'. I actually play the game actively and intellegently and get harrassed only rarely. I don't haul anything, I do some exploration and missions, because that's what is fun for myself and my friends. The only reason I even have an industrial is to carry spare fittings and ammo into areas otherwise lacking in local markets, and when it gets full to carry more valuable loot out to where I can get a somewhat better price.

Your idea is just bad. It's a self serving mass of wishful thinking and hypocrisy designed to steal fun from other players and give it to you. It won't accomplish your goals well, if at all, and will simply add needless hardship, frustration and pain in the rear to everyone that does not like low sec because of people like you.