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Low SP combat pilot in FW?

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-12 17:26:12 UTC
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?
Haulie Berry
#2 - 2013-03-12 17:34:56 UTC
First of all, don't blame it on SPs. They do afford some advantage, but they are not the end-all and be-all of PvP in Eve.

Having looked at your killboard, it's obvious that you do not know how to PvP. I'm not insulting you by saying that - it's okay that you don't know how, you just haven't learned yet.

If you fall into the trap of thinking you can't do anything because you're not as old as other pilots, you won't learn, though.

You should probably consider joining up with Fweddit. They are newb-friendly and can give you some guidance on fittings and tactics.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#3 - 2013-03-12 17:35:02 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?


In a fleet its actually easier, fit up a tackling ship of the race of your choice and join as many public fleets as you can (the kind advertised in militia chat). After a while you'll get a bit of recognition and may be able to join a militia corp and get further advice after that.

Fleets are always after ecm/logi as well. Training a griffin/blackbird or a t1 logi cruiser/frigate up will see you always have a ship to take to a fleet.

After those experiences you can then make an informed decision on what you enjoy and specialise.
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-12 18:09:42 UTC
Yep. Keep fighting. If you are 1v1, you're in trouble because boosters and buddies.

So, be in a fleet. Even if you are not all T2'ed out, you will still have FUN and get fights. SP comes eventually to all, don't sweat it.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-12 19:05:49 UTC
Fleeting is definitely the way to go if you want to win some fights early on, and its a lot more fun. Unless you want to do nothing but solo pvp forever you'll want to be making friends with people in your militia anyway.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-12 19:52:42 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?


There are plenty of roles for you to fill with low SP. Eve SP is a game of breadth, not depth. SP only matters a little bit, but you can be really good at a certain role with low SP. The only advantage veterans have over you is that they can fill more roles than you can but you can fill your small number of roles just as well. You just need to learn to PVP (in the human behind the keyboard way) and find a home where your skills can be put to use. You can do this in several ways.

1. You can read about PVP and watch videos of PVP and then try things on your own. In this case just stay in FW until a decent corp notices you and recruits you or you find a corp you want to join.

2. You could join Eve University and be taught how to PVP. I think Eve University is good to a point for learning PVP mechanics but not so good about learning all the different ways to play Eve. In other words, they teach you "how to play Eve" their way and show you all the mechanics. Learn the mechanics from them, but don't learn "how to play Eve" from them.

3. Join RvB and learn how to PVP. Just like Eve University, learn mechanics there but don't stay too long.

4. Pick a good corp that will train you and use you. This could be a WH corp, FW corp, lowsec pirate corp, or NPC null corp. Go down the list of top BC corps (http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/rankings.php?type=corp&recent=true) and start applying to the top corps for whatever play style is most appealing to you.

After you get "decent" at PVP, try NPC null, try wormholes, try FW, try lowsec piracy, try RvB, try sov 0.0 and then figure out what kind of PVP you like the best.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2013-03-12 19:53:23 UTC
Come to Vlillirier. We'll put you to work in small gangs and fleets right away.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-03-12 23:25:38 UTC
So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p

"Don't trust anyone"
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-03-12 23:34:15 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p

"Don't trust anyone"




Would not surprise me but i doubt it


Anyhow ignore the naysayers.. Find yourself some buddies that are better than you to learn from, get into a nice little t1 frig and go out killing stuff. You will die a lot at first but with time you will win more and more..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-13 00:35:17 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p

"Don't trust anyone"

A few months after I started playing Eve, I threw together a dozen frigates and joined FW solo for a week. One of the most useful things I learned in my time there is how to travel. How to use my map to scout and plan a route, learn the geography of the area. And how to avoid / sneak through gate camps. How to Dscan, disengage and run away, etc.

I ended up with only one good fight that I lost anyway, but the experience was invaluable.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#11 - 2013-03-13 01:50:38 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?


Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.

It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble.
If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy.

XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them.
You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right.
Iggys
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#12 - 2013-03-13 02:00:41 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?


Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.

It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble.
If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy.

XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them.
You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right.


I was exactly the same as you 7 months ago before I joined Justified Chaos. Pilots like Xgallentius will teach you a lot and will always come to your aid if you ask. In general the gallente militia is really helpful, but it takes some perseverance to understand how pvp works.

Come to the vlillirier/ nennamaila area and join up with the people there.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#13 - 2013-03-13 04:08:06 UTC
Iggys wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?


Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.

It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble.
If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy.

XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them.
You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right.


I was exactly the same as you 7 months ago before I joined Justified Chaos. Pilots like Xgallentius will teach you a lot and will always come to your aid if you ask. In general the gallente militia is really helpful, but it takes some perseverance to understand how pvp works.

Come to the vlillirier/ nennamaila area and join up with the people there.


Or he could head to Eha to live.... Big smile


I hope you frogs haven't blocked the plumbing there or I'll be pissed off.



JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#14 - 2013-03-13 04:38:13 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

I hope you frogs haven't blocked the plumbing there or I'll be pissed off.


If that's a 1 2 punch of potty jokes, I will be most pleased.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2013-03-13 05:16:24 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.
I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective.


Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#16 - 2013-03-13 05:25:27 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.
I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective.



Quite fun, too. You derp into a lot more things because of how cheap they are.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-03-13 08:58:54 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p

"Don't trust anyone"

A few months after I started playing Eve, I threw together a dozen frigates and joined FW solo for a week. One of the most useful things I learned in my time there is how to travel. How to use my map to scout and plan a route, learn the geography of the area. And how to avoid / sneak through gate camps. How to Dscan, disengage and run away, etc.

I ended up with only one good fight that I lost anyway, but the experience was invaluable.


Yeah I'm learning too. After getting blown up outside a Gallente station in Villore, I'm creating undocking safe spots outside each station. Seems somewhat common for enemy militia to camp outside, hehe.

And I assume its standard to "warp to 100km" if warping to a gate?
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#18 - 2013-03-13 09:45:14 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:

Yeah I'm learning too. After getting blown up outside a Gallente station in Villore, I'm creating undocking safe spots outside each station. Seems somewhat common for enemy militia to camp outside, hehe.

And I assume its standard to "warp to 100km" if warping to a gate?


Looks like your are making progress.
However, most important is that your strategy and tactics meets what you are flying.

E.g. if you are flying nano-stuff which is very agile then you don't need to take care of gate camps because the probability is very slim if you warp off withing less then 3 seconds that they are able to catch you. However, if they get you some how into scram range outside the gate you are almost dead which means you have to avoid this under any circumstances.

If you are flying a tanky, clumsy brawler, then camped gates can be a death trap. Stay away of them, better sit in plexes and wait for solo fighters to come to you. Naturally you have run, whenever you smell the blob comming.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-13 13:32:59 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p

"Don't trust anyone"


No I think this was two unrelated incidents. Or possibly the public fleet had a spai and knew which way the new entrants would be headed. Made worse if the fleet leader publicly advertises his location in the Fleet Finder.

Also, was your death at one of the more dangerous highsec to lowsec entry points? Old Man Star is especially bad for this, take another route in or just base yourself in lowsec altogether.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-13 13:34:04 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.
I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective.



Quite fun, too. You derp into a lot more things because of how cheap they are.


Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though.
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