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A way to encourage players to use DX11 without forcing
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2013-03-09 22:24:24 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

You dodged the question again. It doesn't matter how cheap things are or how much money you make... how will you explain to your spouse/family (who don't play video games) that you need to spend money buying/upgrading when the computer you have now still works?

Some people have to wait til their current setup dies because "eye candy" simply isn't an excuse. Wifey would rather you spend that 40 taking her out to dinner than allow you to "upgrade" your addiction that takes you away from her.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

No one ever said they would never upgrade. It just doesn't happen overnight. Three years may be an eternity for you (and technology)... but for many of us it's a short span of time that we barely blink at. Learn some patience and let the 50% of people not using DX11 catch up.

How did you Veterans start?
Jessy Berbers
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-09 23:25:49 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

You dodged the question again. It doesn't matter how cheap things are or how much money you make... how will you explain to your spouse/family (who don't play video games) that you need to spend money buying/upgrading when the computer you have now still works?

Some people have to wait til their current setup dies because "eye candy" simply isn't an excuse. Wifey would rather you spend that 40 taking her out to dinner than allow you to "upgrade" your addiction that takes you away from her.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

No one ever said they would never upgrade. It just doesn't happen overnight. Three years may be an eternity for you (and technology)... but for many of us it's a short span of time that we barely blink at. Learn some patience and let the 50% of people not using DX11 catch up.



No need to "Justify it" when you can just onpurpose/accidentally kill the machine, and voila, new DX11 machine, and probably even X64 bit (which is actually EVEN more important then Dx11, due to x86 being only able to use 2 to 3.4Gb of your now quite usually seen 8GB)

But yeah it is easy to kill a machine without a none tech savy spouse or family to even know it was you who killed the thing.
Gripen
#23 - 2013-03-10 00:02:13 UTC
ITT, there are lots of people who have no idea what they are talking about. If you want a better graphics ask for better graphics and not DX11 because:

1) Just switching from DX9 to DX11 won't make a miracle like some (clueless) people think
2) There is literally an ocean of unrealised possibilities for EVE within DX9
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-03-10 00:09:57 UTC
Jessy Berbers wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

You dodged the question again. It doesn't matter how cheap things are or how much money you make... how will you explain to your spouse/family (who don't play video games) that you need to spend money buying/upgrading when the computer you have now still works?

Some people have to wait til their current setup dies because "eye candy" simply isn't an excuse. Wifey would rather you spend that 40 taking her out to dinner than allow you to "upgrade" your addiction that takes you away from her.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

No one ever said they would never upgrade. It just doesn't happen overnight. Three years may be an eternity for you (and technology)... but for many of us it's a short span of time that we barely blink at. Learn some patience and let the 50% of people not using DX11 catch up.



No need to "Justify it" when you can just onpurpose/accidentally kill the machine, and voila, new DX11 machine, and probably even X64 bit (which is actually EVEN more important then Dx11, due to x86 being only able to use 2 to 3.4Gb of your now quite usually seen 8GB)

But yeah it is easy to kill a machine without a none tech savy spouse or family to even know it was you who killed the thing.

You there is this thing call integrity, you should look up what it means and try it out some time.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Pan Dora
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-03-10 00:10:48 UTC
Jessy Berbers wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

You dodged the question again. It doesn't matter how cheap things are or how much money you make... how will you explain to your spouse/family (who don't play video games) that you need to spend money buying/upgrading when the computer you have now still works?

Some people have to wait til their current setup dies because "eye candy" simply isn't an excuse. Wifey would rather you spend that 40 taking her out to dinner than allow you to "upgrade" your addiction that takes you away from her.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

No one ever said they would never upgrade. It just doesn't happen overnight. Three years may be an eternity for you (and technology)... but for many of us it's a short span of time that we barely blink at. Learn some patience and let the 50% of people not using DX11 catch up.



No need to "Justify it" when you can just onpurpose/accidentally kill the machine, and voila, new DX11 machine, and probably even X64 bit (which is actually EVEN more important then Dx11, due to x86 being only able to use 2 to 3.4Gb of your now quite usually seen 8GB)

But yeah it is easy to kill a machine without a none tech savy spouse or family to even know it was you who killed the thing.




WTF! Lying to the people that make my real life important because a game? really?

Sorry, some people prefer to let treachery and betrayal in EVE, where it belongs.

-CCP would boost ECM so it also block the ability of buthurt posting.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#26 - 2013-03-10 00:32:02 UTC
my machine can run dx 11 my os can't how about someone sorts that problem out so i don't have to get a new os then i'll be happy to go to dx11 (also i'm pretty sure a fair number of other people have machines that can run dx11 but an os that can't so surly fixing the os problem is better than gettin a new os)
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#27 - 2013-03-10 12:06:11 UTC
people dont want dx11 cause its too shiney and Too laggy for multiple alts on multiple boxes :P

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#28 - 2013-03-10 13:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Warning: The following post may (unintentionally) read as extremely offensive/insulting to those of a sensitive nature.


"My machine can run DX11 but my OS can't": You'll have to get a new OS. Yours is ancient anyway. Windows XP and Windows Vista are not "just fine" and if you're using them, they need to be replaced. Windows 7 is amazing compared to all other versions of Windows and is less than the price of a new graphics card. Macs can dual-boot MacOS and Windows 7. If you're running Linux, then that's a different matter entirely and one you probably have the technical competency to solve.

"My machine can't run DX11, why should I buy a new one": Unless you're running a laptop (and shame on you for trying to game on a laptop) you can easily upgrade the video card (not the whole machine) to something DX11-capable and voila, you now have a DX11-capable machine!

"How do I explain to the family/spouse": Are you employed? Are you paid for the work you do? Are you a legal adult? Are you married to someone other than your parent (or someone who thinks they are)? If the answer to these questions is "Yes", then your spouse should be mature enough and reasonable enough to understand that EVE is your hobby. Even if they don't like it, you could have worse hobbies - like pornography or drugs or collecting antique teapots. If your spouse is not mature enough to accept you spending money to pursue a hobby that costs money in the first place (or if you don't have sufficient income to upgrade your hardware) then perhaps you have other things to worry about before a DX11 upgrade to EVE.

"Not allowed to upgrade": Move out of your parents' house. Then you'll be allowed to do whatever you want (within the limits of the law, of course). If you're already out of said house but the "not allowed" is from a spouse, then I feel bad for you. Unless you're unemployed and your spouse is making 100% of the household money, you're a grown adult and have the right to upgrade your computer anyway.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#29 - 2013-03-10 19:34:29 UTC
Gripen wrote:

2) There is literally an ocean of unrealised possibilities for EVE within DX9

with lots of submarines!

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Pan Dora
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-10 20:53:34 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Stuff


Its not really about what we CAN but rather about what we are WILLING to do.

We CAN upgrade. We just cant be arsed to do it right now.

Quote:
"How do I explain to the family/spouse": Are you employed? Are you paid for the work you do? Are you a legal adult? Are you married to someone other than your parent (or someone who thinks they are)? If the answer to these questions is "Yes", then your spouse should be mature enough and reasonable enough to understand that EVE is your hobby.


No. YOU should be mature enough to mind your own business. What kind of relationship I have with my wife its my concern. I don't give a crap over you opinion about it so keep it to yourself. (Actually no hard feeling, just a natural response.Your post "may (unintentionally) read as extremely offensive/insulting to those of a sensitive nature" Blink)







-CCP would boost ECM so it also block the ability of buthurt posting.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#31 - 2013-03-12 18:04:05 UTC
Someone made a comment about having to explain their purchases to the family/spouse. It's perfectly reasonable for me to respond to something that someone else has introduced. In fact, my entire post was in reply to things others have said here. To the best of my knowledge, I didn't make up nonexistent comments to reply to.

Also, your lack of interest in someone else's opinion isn't a reason for them to keep it to themselves.
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