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Edah Puss
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-12 01:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Edah Puss
OP, stop your pathetic whinging. Weve all heard the dubious reasons why AFK cloaking is so so bad and must be stopped at all costs. Blah blah blah.

Harden up, grow a pair, and learn to live with what in all probability will never harm you.

Because what these forums need, is *yet another* whinging, whining, limp wristed, carebearish attempt at holding back the tears because somebody is AFK in your system.

Harden. The. F**k. Up. !

Seriously dude, if this is all it takes to bring you to the forums, on the knife edge of tears, to poast about how terrible and emotionally unstable you are, then it is blatantly obvious that EvE is *not* the game for you.
Machiavelli Interface
S-T United Heavy Shipyards
#22 - 2013-03-12 02:45:03 UTC
Wining? only wining I hear is from pirates and afk cloak that want to stay immune to attack, who dont want to have the fight actual come to them. (never said it should easy)

They just want to keep safe in their cloak, afk or not, never being able to be touched, but to launch attacks usually at ships not even designed to endure combat. But they do love local as it shows them they have a target rich environment.. wouldn't want to spend a week camping an empty system now would you?

sounds like a school bully saying "I want your lunch money": and then when you stand up to them they screem ": my dads a lawyer! and I will sue.":

lol
pathetic.

See you in eve, either being shot at or shooting...

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-12 03:19:16 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:

I see no problem with people sitting in a station. At least then they know where they have you. You also won't be doing it in a system where the station is hostile.


Ah, I get it.

So it's perfectly OK for someone to dec a high sec corp and do this exact thing to them. I can go to work/sleep and stop them from mining and ratting all day and all night while not actually sitting in front of the computer. I get rewarded for being logged in afk and not doing anything. I don't even need to buy a ship for it, or train cloaking. I can just station tank my pod, in a station protected by CONCORD. I can even take an alt, go to station, then join corp - they can't even stop me from entering their home system if they tried. That's ok, they're in the "safe noob haven of the starting area".

But those hardcore null sec systems where the hostile can't even dock, that's not ok. We can't have a random person disrupting activity of all those hard core pew pew pilots over there. We need to change game mechanics. In a way that allows them to completely secure against potential Player vs Player activity and return to safely solo shooting crosses for ISK. In ships not fitted to handle Player vs Player combat.

Roll


This same tactic is being applied across all types of systems.
No one cries about hostile AFK's in local in high sec.
No one cares about hostile AFK's in local in Wormholes, we just HTFU and deal with it.
There's no one to complain in lolsec

So why is it such a massive unique problem in the far reaches of sov null?

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#24 - 2013-03-12 07:11:01 UTC
Machiavelli Interface wrote:
But they do love local as it shows them they have a target rich environment.. wouldn't want to spend a week camping an empty system now would you?





It seems the best way to stop afk cloaking causing you so much stress is to remove local.


Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#25 - 2013-03-12 09:27:26 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:

I see no problem with people sitting in a station. At least then they know where they have you. You also won't be doing it in a system where the station is hostile.


Ah, I get it.

So it's perfectly OK for someone to dec a high sec corp and do this exact thing to them. I can go to work/sleep and stop them from mining and ratting all day and all night while not actually sitting in front of the computer. I get rewarded for being logged in afk and not doing anything. I don't even need to buy a ship for it, or train cloaking. I can just station tank my pod, in a station protected by CONCORD. I can even take an alt, go to station, then join corp - they can't even stop me from entering their home system if they tried. That's ok, they're in the "safe noob haven of the starting area".

But those hardcore null sec systems where the hostile can't even dock, that's not ok. We can't have a random person disrupting activity of all those hard core pew pew pilots over there. We need to change game mechanics. In a way that allows them to completely secure against potential Player vs Player activity and return to safely solo shooting crosses for ISK. In ships not fitted to handle Player vs Player combat.

Roll


This same tactic is being applied across all types of systems.
No one cries about hostile AFK's in local in high sec.
No one cares about hostile AFK's in local in Wormholes, we just HTFU and deal with it.
There's no one to complain in lolsec

So why is it such a massive unique problem in the far reaches of sov null?


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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#26 - 2013-03-12 10:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.

Remove local. It is a bizarrely over powered intelligence tool when you consider the game in its totality. Spend a few months farming wormholes and you will realise that an unknown in system is not the game breaking bug you think it is.

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#27 - 2013-03-12 10:40:27 UTC
Machiavelli Interface wrote:


An eve player who can acutaly build the system, the station, the ships the infrastructure the rest of you use to pve and pvp in.

without player own station there would be no homes in null.
without infrastructure your anomalies would be small in number.
without infastruture the miners would not be there for you to mock and gank.
without people wanting to actual play in that system the afk cloak would have nowhere to hove but an empty systemr..

so, without hardcore industrialist you wouldn't have a game to play.

simple.


Oh please, people alwyas lived and sat homes in null even before the POS were added to the game. And infastructure system is even a more recent add.

Things used to work fine (even bettert than now) also without all this noobish stuff.


Beside this, no jokes please:

is not about perfectly fair individual safety, is about envinroment and system safety:
Cloacking and related tactics add un-safety and unpredictable elements in the systems; nullify these tactics means only reduce gameplay room and add more safety to your systems.

That is.


Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-03-12 14:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Milan Nantucket
I see whats going on... your bot can only do so much ratting chained fields and when a cloaker pops in it auto docks and when you get home you have way less isk than normal....

I also see why removing local would be a bad idea in the above situation... no local then bot can't detect neuts/reds and dock
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#29 - 2013-03-12 14:55:44 UTC
A "cloaking is bad because I can't leave the station while there is a single red in system" thread, how usual.

I haven't seen one of these in almost two weeks, I doubt its going to be anymore successful than the last few hundred or so attempts over the years to flip this from non-issue to issue.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Damay Aprionati
Chroma Corp
Prismatic Legion
#30 - 2013-03-12 17:06:48 UTC
Machiavelli Interface wrote:


I didn't say they stopped my activities.
that seems to be the mistaken idea, I am strongly suggesting it gets fixed.




If it doesn't stop your activities sir, why is it an issue that requires "strongly suggesting fixing?"



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Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-12 18:37:50 UTC
When I need to make some isk, i prefer for afk cloakers to be in system. Most of my competiion for making isk is docked up or offline and I make more isk.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-03-13 07:44:29 UTC
Sure afk cloaking can be annoying depending on what side of the cyno you are on. It is far less annoying than station games however. If you wish to somehow break cloaks then give all stations a minute or more docking timer or some other mechanic to force a fight or prevent the bear his/her perfect safety. Or even better make stations work the same as a cloak and you can't dock if targeted.

What's that you say? A preposterous suggestion? Yes I do agree. But so is breaking the cloaking mechanic for your own convenience. And breaking station docking would at least produce oceans of tears and break bots forever.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-03-13 08:13:26 UTC
Hmmm, nullbear tears. Must be a goon pet.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#34 - 2013-03-13 08:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
[...]. The game should not reward people for leaving the game on when they're not playing,



  • afk-Mining
  • moving stuff(tm) through empire in a freighter
  • more things
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-03-13 12:30:45 UTC
Zappity wrote:
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.


AFK cloakers enjoy complete safety.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#36 - 2013-03-13 12:42:44 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Zappity wrote:
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.


AFK cloakers enjoy complete safety.


So do nullbears who dock up and hide in a POS whenever an unfriendly face enters local.

If nullbears weren't such a bunch of UTTER COWARDS, AFK cloaking wouldn't work.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#37 - 2013-03-13 13:13:24 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Zappity wrote:
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.


AFK cloakers enjoy complete safety.


So do nullbears who dock up and hide in a POS whenever an unfriendly face enters local.

If nullbears weren't such a bunch of UTTER COWARDS, AFK cloaking wouldn't work.


Yeah stand there in your ratting ship for PVE and fight PVP like a real man, die easily to the gank bear, weaaaaaah, elite PvP at its best yeah!!!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#38 - 2013-03-13 13:20:40 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Zappity wrote:
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.


AFK cloakers enjoy complete safety.


So do nullbears who dock up and hide in a POS whenever an unfriendly face enters local.

If nullbears weren't such a bunch of UTTER COWARDS, AFK cloaking wouldn't work.


Yeah stand there in your ratting ship for PVE and fight PVP like a real man, die easily to the gank bear, weaaaaaah, elite PvP at its best yeah!!!!!


if the only ship you have nearby is a PvE ship you should consider going back to highsec where concord will happily hold your hand. You're a worthless leech on your alliancemates who fight to protect your ratting systems and a general blot on the landscape.

Farmville is that way --->
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#39 - 2013-03-13 14:15:18 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Zappity wrote:
OP, I'm confused. I thought null was supposed to be risky and yet you seem to be asking for safety.


AFK cloakers enjoy complete safety.


So do nullbears who dock up and hide in a POS whenever an unfriendly face enters local.

If nullbears weren't such a bunch of UTTER COWARDS, AFK cloaking wouldn't work.


Yeah stand there in your ratting ship for PVE and fight PVP like a real man, die easily to the gank bear, weaaaaaah, elite PvP at its best yeah!!!!!


if the only ship you have nearby is a PvE ship you should consider going back to highsec where concord will happily hold your hand. You're a worthless leech on your alliancemates who fight to protect your ratting systems and a general blot on the landscape.

Farmville is that way --->


That is better, you are acknowledging that if in a PVE fit ship its best to change to a PvP ship rather than stand, fight and die like a lemon!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

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