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First experiences with Miner-Ganking (minerbumping) - Report by Amyclas Amatin

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-03-12 05:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.

Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator. And I saw bots. All bots. They were unresponsive when you talked to them, they don't respond when you bump them. They just mine, warp, unload, repeat. They are not really people, just kill mails waiting to happen.

Then there are the carebears. They graze on ice all day, confident that their isk will protect them. They mock the CODE and openly show their defiance of it. They make bat-phone calls to their "pvp-friends", and epic high-sec defense fleets start to form. They come with scorpions, they come with machariels, they ship in griffins and basilisks en-masse, and style themselves as the brave rebel front against the new-order.

When I shipped into my catalyst, and began my baptism of fire, I finally understood why the rebels never stood a chance. The New Order flies in tight formation, its doctrines perfect, its maneuvers synchronized. We have scouts, probes, warp-ins, bookmarks, and every trick in the book. All executed to perfection to deliver 6 seconds of wrath.

I killed 3 people so far. One of whom never logged on again. Maybe EVE wasn't the game for him.

I track down all my ganks and do my best to rehabilitate them.

The new order is the most remarkable and social high-sec ganking operation one can find in EVE. Volunteers from every major coalition have gathered and put aside their differences to exterminate the carebear. The carebear playstyle is a damnable crime worthy of violent in-game death. But unlike the carebear, we do not petition GMs to nerf certain playstyles. We make use of the game mechanics given to us. We enforce our rules and our beliefs with anti-matter.

Game-balance wise, the situation is hilarious. A high-sec suicide ganker has a combat life of 6 seconds in 0.7 space. If suicide ganking is nerfed any further, we would have to resort to alpha-striking the miners. Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts. Instead it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up. Which in my opinion, does wonders to strengthen the suicide ganking community.

High-Sec is dangerous. If not through war-decs, then through the suicide ganker. The casual player must find his niche in this - the game will not change for him. No-one is entitled to an intact ship in EVE. If new players come in with false expectations, they must be educated to know otherwise, or be blown up.

The New-Order is a trans-alliance effort to provide both the educating and the blowing up. For players who prefer a more gentle approach of getting acquainted with the game... I still recommend EVE-Uni! Lol

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Thanks.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-03-12 05:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Ganking isn't fair. Mining ships and industrial caps don't shoot back.
That's the number one protest I always hear from carebears, and carebear defenders.

To the carebear, only honorable duels, and consensual wars are fair. That and elitish pvp.

But nothing in war is fair. EVE is a game where a mad man with a rifter could be the tipping point that crushes an alliance.

All warfare is asymmetrical by nature. Gank the enemy where he can't fight back. Leave him hanging where he has gathered strength to fight. (If he wants a free flow of targets, there's always missions, ratting, or RvB)

I'm quite sure that I'll lose any and all 1 v 1s I get myself into. But instead I choose to play my roles, I follow orders, and put myself into situations of maximum unfairness to the enemy.

Every noob can make a difference. You don't have to spend two years in high-sec before going out there. Don't let the elitists tell you that you need a safe high-sec to prepare you.




more to say I have... holding this post.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-12 06:02:11 UTC
I will admit even I do it. But I just pop afk PODS on gates and the occasional miner.

However as with everything else the only reason I hate the entire minerbumping thing and James and i have said it a lot before. Is they sugar coat what they do.

Don't do that, your not helping anybody your just extorting isk and killing ships who in reality has no hope of defending themselves. I scoff at people saying tank your ship we all know that is bull, no tanked indy ship will survive a gank if they really want to kill you.

And I am done.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-03-12 06:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
The drama about permits and righteous causes is just role-play. It's all a game after all.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-03-12 07:48:26 UTC
I just led my first gank.

The pilot was unable to purchase a new retriever.

If he had repented and gave a gf and embraced the violence that is part of eve, we'd have bought him one.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#6 - 2013-03-12 08:51:14 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts.


It can in 0.5, I do it all the time. Takes a few days of training gunnery skills, but I can pop a Mackinaw solo provided he doesn't have much of a tank.

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Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-03-12 08:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts.


It can in 0.5, I do it all the time. Takes a few days of training gunnery skills, but I can pop a Mackinaw solo provided he doesn't have much of a tank.


Easy kills will be easy kills...

It's more fun when they play at fighting back, like mining in 0.7 with heavily tank exhumers and having defence fleets guarding them.

Join us, Hedonism!

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-12 09:19:20 UTC
Quote:
it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up


I lol'd at that


Some ppl just like to act "cruel" in a computer game because they need to make up for what/who they are in real life or something..

While i enjoy pvp i never saw any fun in ganking those that can't defend themselves.. not gate camping indies in lowsec and especially not suicide ganking indies in high sec.

If you guys are so well organized and fly so well together, try doing some lowsec pvp roams.. Its more of a challenge than warping to belt ->approach barge -> press f1+f2 for guns and warp scram.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-12 09:24:17 UTC
Rob Lorence wrote:
Quote:
it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up


I lol'd at that


Some ppl just like to act "cruel" in a computer game because they need to make up for what/who they are in real life or something..

While i enjoy pvp i never saw any fun in ganking those that can't defend themselves.. not gate camping indies in lowsec and especially not suicide ganking indies in high sec.

If you guys are so well organized and fly so well together, try doing some lowsec pvp roams.. Its more of a challenge than warping to belt ->approach barge -> press f1+f2 for guns and warp scram.


You're quite mistaken. Most knights of the new order have neg ten sec status. Everything tries to kill them if they stay in place for more than a few seconds.

That, and they prey gets spooked sometimes. And they also like to tank their ships with blinged out modules.

The new order are professionals, they do not use throw away alts to rep their sec status. Everyone can shoot them. And everyone is welcome to try. And if what we do wakes carebears from the monotony of their existence, I say its a job well done.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-12 09:49:06 UTC
Flying throwaway Catalysts seems to be the new endgame in hisec.
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-03-12 10:27:05 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

And I saw bots. All bots.


So you thought "I know, I'll report them".

Amyclas Amatin wrote:
They were unresponsive when you talked to them, they don't respond when you bump them. They just mine, warp, unload, repeat.


And so began a slow and considered approach to identifying the patterns of systematic behaviour.

Amyclas Amatin wrote:
They are not really people, just kill mails waiting to happen.


...oh, I see, you wanted to keep them in the game instead. I don’t think I can give you any marks here.


Amyclas Amatin wrote:
One of whom never logged on again


Whilst it seems more likely they just used an alt to carry on as normal your statement makes clear that you failed to achieve your goal. I'll give you a hint - you are not trying to rid Eve of players, it is silly to boast that you are. Again I can’t award any marks here.


Amyclas Amatin wrote:
High-Sec is dangerous.
No-one is entitled to an intact ship in EVE.


Slightly different message to the normal one, I guess one mark for daring to be different.

In fact, everybody in Eve is entitled to an intact ship, something you could have learned during your seven hours of training. It’s such a fundamental mistake that I will have to subtract a mark.

0/10
Overall a poorly constructed effort containing obvious errors and omissions. Points made are not supported with evidence and do not stand up to basic scrutiny. Elements of the piece suggest that it was rushed and as I hinted at before research has not been carried out. An almost conscious effort has been made to contradict elements of the document the author is attempting to show support for.

An unusually disappointing effort, they usually put more into these things.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#12 - 2013-03-12 10:35:25 UTC
Ganking was cool till it became a Cult Bumping Blah blah Crap :|

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-12 11:02:19 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Ganking was cool till it became a Cult Bumping Blah blah Crap :|


10/10
Wescro2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-12 11:35:05 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
However as with everything else the only reason I hate the entire minerbumping thing and James and i have said it a lot before. Is they sugar coat what they do.

Don't do that, your not helping anybody your just extorting isk and killing ships who in reality has no hope of defending themselves. I scoff at people saying tank your ship we all know that is bull, no tanked indy ship will survive a gank if they really want to kill you.

And I am done.


Noooo. The miner is supposed to take it seriously and get ticked off, not you. -_-
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-03-12 12:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Pap Uhotih wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

stuff


So you thought "I know, I'll report them".

And so began a slow and considered approach to identifying the patterns of systematic behaviour.

...oh, I see, you wanted to keep them in the game instead. I don’t think I can give you any marks here.

Whilst it seems more likely they just used an alt to carry on as normal your statement makes clear that you failed to achieve your goal. I'll give you a hint - you are not trying to rid Eve of players, it is silly to boast that you are. Again I can’t award any marks here.

Slightly different message to the normal one, I guess one mark for daring to be different.

In fact, everybody in Eve is entitled to an intact ship, something you could have learned during your seven hours of training. It’s such a fundamental mistake that I will have to subtract a mark.

0/10
Overall a poorly constructed effort containing obvious errors and omissions. Points made are not supported with evidence and do not stand up to basic scrutiny. Elements of the piece suggest that it was rushed and as I hinted at before research has not been carried out. An almost conscious effort has been made to contradict elements of the document the author is attempting to show support for.

An unusually disappointing effort, they usually put more into these things.


This is actually what I call an undisguised piece of blatant propaganda. Lol

As for ganking itself:

We're not really here to measure bot activity, or even decide who is a bot and who isn't.
We eradicate carebears. Hopefully some can be cured.
We also humor a few who pay our ransoms mining permits.

It's that simple.
Unless you want to get into the James-cult drama... Which is a barrel of fun in itself.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#16 - 2013-03-12 12:23:25 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.

Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator.


Would you be willing to name this 'permanent' gank alt....?

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-03-12 12:26:18 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.

Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator.


Would you be willing to name this 'permanent' gank alt....?


Drop me an eve-mail, and 10 million for a complimentary mining permit, and I'll spoon-feed it to you.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#18 - 2013-03-12 12:52:23 UTC
I'm afraid the whole New Order thing is getting a bit stale now.
By all means carry on, but wouldn't it be better to devise and do your own thing rather than hang off James315's coattails and convince yourself you are doing something awesome / original / worthwhile.
You are not a special snowflake.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-03-12 13:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
feihcsiM wrote:
I'm afraid the whole New Order thing is getting a bit stale now.
By all means carry on, but wouldn't it be better to devise and do your own thing rather than hang off James315's coattails and convince yourself you are doing something awesome / original / worthwhile.
You are not a special snowflake.


Carebear extermination has been going on for years. - From times dating to even before the Hulkageddon.
What James is doing is nothing new. But his charisma and the drama he attracts is a good rallying point to meet new people and go out ganking with them.
If killing carebears could get stale, then James has found fresh and more entertaining ways to kill them.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#20 - 2013-03-12 13:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
I can appreciate what the New Order does, it is fun to be a part of a group of people with a unified goal, especially when that goal involves blowing up other people's imaginary spaceships. The main reason I haven't joined, considering my love of ganking miners, is that the whole fun of it is showing up where you are completely unexpected, murdering some poor bastard out of the blue, and then watching how he reacts. I don't particularly want to shoot Bots (****, they are my people). I'd rather shoot people who are actively playing, but have no idea they are being hunted. It is especially great when they come out and try to fight you after your criminal flag expires, I have gotten some beautiful kills this way. Most Bots wouldn't do that.

I am ok with the RP aspect. This is an RPG, after all. We are all, by definition, role playing whenever we are logged in. Some people just choose to be a bot nerdier about it than others, but that is ok with me.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

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