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Why complain about High Sec but not SOV mechanics? An honest look at null bears.

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ImNotCyno Alt5
Capts Deranged Cavaliers
#81 - 2013-03-12 00:33:43 UTC
Coming from a high sec NPC char . Talking about null and pop. This thread is worth reading.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-03-12 00:35:48 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
I see you still choose to attack the poster and not debate the post.

A tactic those of your ilk are familiar with Im afraid.


what part of it isn't true

did you poison the well in the OP? yes

did you accuse others of being sockpuppets? yes

did you hop over to another npc corp posting alt to agree with yourself? yes

are you engaging in this very same practice of attacking the poster and not debating the post? yes

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-03-12 00:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
allow me to point out where you blatantly poisoned the well

Sariah Kion wrote:
I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.


well it was actually the entirety of your OP save for that first sentence

need i point out the hypocrisy in crying "ad hominem" when you, well, poisoned the well to begin with

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2013-03-12 00:38:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
I see you still choose to attack the poster and not debate the post.

A tactic those of your ilk are familiar with Im afraid.

what part of it isn't true

did you poison the well in the OP? yes

did you accuse others of being sockpuppets? yes

did you hop over to another npc corp posting alt to agree with yourself? yes

are you engaging in this very same practice of attacking the poster and not debating the post? yes

Yeah I'm very familiar with it. I see it being used from the very OP of this thread.

It's not unusual in GD. As mentioned, using "an honest look" or throwaway words like "Discuss" are clear indicators.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2013-03-12 00:38:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
allow me to point out where you blatantly poisoned the well

Sariah Kion wrote:
I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.

well it was actually the entirety of your OP save for that first sentence

need i point out the hypocrisy in crying "ad hominem" when you, well, poisoned the well to begin with

I think the well just has poison and no water: "an honest look"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-03-12 00:39:07 UTC
If these "folks" really wanted to drive EVE into a better place as far as pvp there would be posts pushing SOV changes instead of complaining about high sec industrialists.

Thats really at the bottom of the well.

The change being pushed isnt about pvp or a better EVE its about agenda driven mandates to increase their bottom line and interests.

The first null sec SOV dweller that comes out and says we need change to the game as a whole, starting with SOV and working or way back up to High Sec is a poster and movement I would get behind and support.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2013-03-12 00:40:12 UTC
~you have failed to force your facts from actual-reality into my reality, therefore i win~
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#88 - 2013-03-12 00:40:28 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Andski wrote:
notice that the npc alt has not responded to this question

that question does not exist in sariah kion's reality

you need to stop having this actual-reality bias and start dealing with a reality where all facts that are problematic for sariah kion's bot-aspirant fantasies do not exist

EvilweaselSA wrote:
see a person interested in factual reality might have noticed the four pages of "sov sucks you idiot and should be replaced and we've been saying it for years"

but this is not the reality sariah kion chooses to use

Rejecting reality and replacing it with you own..

eh?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-03-12 00:40:56 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
If these "folks" really wanted to drive EVE into a better place as far as pvp there would be posts pushing SOV changes instead of complaining about high sec industrialists.

Thats really at the bottom of the well.

The change being pushed isnt about pvp or a better EVE its about agenda driven mandates to increase their bottom line and interests.

The first null sec SOV dweller that comes out and says we need change to the game as a whole, starting with SOV and working or way back up to High Sec is a poster and movement I would get behind and support.


oh look it's like you blatantly ignored the last 5 pages of this thread where people told you "yeah no we've actually been pushing for sov changes for three years"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2013-03-12 00:41:11 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
~you have failed to force your facts from actual-reality into my reality, therefore i win~

Their reality should just have had them winning at the get go.

Discuss.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-03-12 00:43:35 UTC
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2013-03-12 00:44:36 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

sov is one of the many problems with 0.0 that must be fixed

highsec is another

we are capable of holding more than one thought and expressing more than one idea
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2013-03-12 00:45:18 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:

The first null sec SOV dweller that comes out and says we need change to the game as a whole, starting with SOV and working or way back up to High Sec is a poster and movement I would get behind and support.

ideas are judged by the caliber of their supporters and opponents

as a result we'd like you to stay right there opposing our ideas if you wouldn't mind
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-03-12 00:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?


what weasel said

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-03-12 00:46:09 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

sov is one of the many problems with 0.0 that must be fixed

highsec is another

we are capable of holding more than one thought and expressing more than one idea


So where are the posts from your ilk about SOV issues to go along with the daily bashing of high sec?

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-03-12 00:46:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?


because the sov system isn't the real driving system for the stagnation of PvP but only a drop in an ocean of problems

one part of it is CCP's "everybody wins" philosophy that added nullsec levels of income potential to highsec, like incursions


Incursions were rebalanced.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2013-03-12 00:47:00 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

sov is one of the many problems with 0.0 that must be fixed

highsec is another

we are capable of holding more than one thought and expressing more than one idea


So where are the posts from your ilk about SOV issues to go along with the daily bashing of high sec?

all over the place here in actual-reality

however since they do not threaten your bot-aspirant behavior you do not notice them
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-03-12 00:47:47 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

sov is one of the many problems with 0.0 that must be fixed

highsec is another

we are capable of holding more than one thought and expressing more than one idea


So where are the posts from your ilk about SOV issues to go along with the daily bashing of high sec?


"maybe in an effort to appear correct i'll ask them to dig through these awful forums on my behalf"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-03-12 00:48:13 UTC
There must be some truth coming from the OP because the Goonies turned out in force to ignite their flamethrowers on this one.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-03-12 00:49:25 UTC
I find the personal attacks gratifying.

The snake strikes when threatened.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]