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Why complain about High Sec but not SOV mechanics? An honest look at null bears.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2013-03-12 00:03:40 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
~by saying something hilariously obviously wrong in the title, i have puppetmastered people into opposing me which somehow means i was right all along~

~i have won again, people with braincells~

Oh ho, but actually we're just using this to give the impression that actually highsec is truly balanced.

Because you're right even when you're a moron who shouldn't be allowed to post? Wait no, it's because nullsec is fine? No, highsec is fine, that's what matters.

Another blue donut?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-03-12 00:04:19 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works


No, no its not.


[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2013-03-12 00:04:56 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
do the thing you have been doing for years

not because you have been doing it for years do it because i command you

please

someone do something because of me besides mock me

please

I'm doing it harder. Mmmmhhh~~~ aww yeah.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-03-12 00:05:01 UTC
"naturally these guys want changes to hisec so they can expand their expansive renter empire"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-03-12 00:05:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
~by saying something hilariously obviously wrong in the title, i have puppetmastered people into opposing me which somehow means i was right all along~

~i have won again, people with braincells~

Oh ho, but actually we're just using this to give the impression that actually highsec is truly balanced.

Because you're right even when you're a moron who shouldn't be allowed to post? Wait no, it's because nullsec is fine? No, highsec is fine, that's what matters.

Another blue donut?



All the little sock puppets are drawn like moths to a flame.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-03-12 00:05:38 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
No, no its not.


okay guy since you clearly know about sovereignty, explain the process of taking a station system in detail

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Antir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-03-12 00:05:47 UTC
You probably shouldn't eat those blue donuts.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2013-03-12 00:05:58 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works

Jump freighters are the only nullsec-relevant part of most industry.

Most being production of non-supercapital things.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-03-12 00:06:18 UTC
npc alts can't accuse others of sockpuppetry because they are, by nature, sockpuppets

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-03-12 00:06:18 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.


nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area


Without a change to null sec SOV mechanics...where will they go? Oh, that's right. They will either rent from you or get popped until they unsubscribe and uninstall.

Any push for change to move players out of high sec that doesn't include and in depth push to change SOV mechanics is just and empty self serving load of malarkey.

Put your money were your mouth is. Back change to high sec and null sec SOV.


Oh god a either or option. Our argument is destroyed
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2013-03-12 00:07:37 UTC
Andski wrote:
"naturally these guys want changes to hisec so they can expand their expansive renter empire"

Wait, it's us, isn't it. We're actually renting all this sov from WIdot
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
No, no its not.

okay guy since you clearly know about sovereignty, explain the process of taking a station system in detail

I don't know, but I bet Boat does !!
Antir wrote:
You probably shouldn't eat those blue donuts.

Shut up, they're perfectly balanced in terms of highsec production (100%)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2013-03-12 00:08:30 UTC
let us all listen to the well-researched opinion of the guy who thinks nullsec hasn't been bitching about the terrible sov system since about three months after it was implemented and who has based his entire argument off that easily-debunked factual error

that sounds like a great use of time
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2013-03-12 00:08:43 UTC
Ustrello wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.


nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area


Without a change to null sec SOV mechanics...where will they go? Oh, that's right. They will either rent from you or get popped until they unsubscribe and uninstall.

Any push for change to move players out of high sec that doesn't include and in depth push to change SOV mechanics is just and empty self serving load of malarkey.

Put your money were your mouth is. Back change to high sec and null sec SOV.

Oh god a either or option. Our argument is destroyed

EITHER do your industry in highsec and JF it to null
OR kil---

Never mind.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#54 - 2013-03-12 00:09:25 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
let us all listen to the well-researched opinion of the guy who thinks nullsec hasn't been bitching about the terrible sov system since about three months after it was implemented and who has based his entire argument off that easily-debunked factual error

that sounds like a great use of time

You're posting, you're spending your time wisely as well.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#55 - 2013-03-12 00:09:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
No, no its not.


okay guy since you clearly know about sovereignty, explain the process of taking a station system in detail



listen to FC. hope I don't get called a lemming. Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2013-03-12 00:10:12 UTC
Why complain about blue donuts (that are engaged in fighting all the time): an honest look at structure shooting, timer by timer

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-03-12 00:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary Me
Sariah Kion wrote:
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works


No, no its not.



That's it? Thats all you've got in response? Wow, sounds a bit like 'No YOU, Null Bear!' to me. I guess it was only a matter of time, although I admit I was surprised at the eloquence of your first couple of replies, I guess the old rant impulse just took over in the end.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2013-03-12 00:11:20 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Primary Me wrote:
Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works

No, no its not.

That's it? Thats all you've got in response? Wow, sounds a bit like 'No YOU, Null Bear!' to me. I guess it was only a matter of time, although I admit I was surprised at the eloquence of you first couple of replies, I guess the old rant impulse just took over in the end.

No U
Nawl Baer
Velicitia wrote:
Andski wrote:
okay guy since you clearly know about sovereignty, explain the process of taking a station system in detail

listen to FC. hope I don't get called a lemming. Cool

Jump to Boat with all the supercaps.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-03-12 00:13:27 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Primary Me wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works


No, no its not.



That's it? Thats all you've got in response? Wow, sounds a bit like 'No YOU, Null Bear!' to me. I guess it was only a matter of time, although I admit I was surprised at the eloquence of your first couple of replies, I guess the old rant impulse just took over in the end.


Well you introduced the idea into the discourse. How about you tell me how that helps change SOV mechanics before you call on me to back my response to your post through ad hominems.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-03-12 00:15:09 UTC


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