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Why complain about High Sec but not SOV mechanics? An honest look at null bears.

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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-11 23:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sariah Kion
Praetor Meles wrote:
In before lock.


Why? I think I have formed a logically sound opinion. Should we not debate the motives of the those who seek to alter the game through discourse or through the CSM? I have added some "color" of course but the foundation is sound and worthy of discourse.

I dont think the mods are that shallow and understand the need to have a debate over the actions and motivations of a very vocal group actively trying to sway the development of the game we all play and enjoy.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-11 23:51:00 UTC
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2013-03-11 23:51:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
The proper way to begin fairy tales is with "once upon a time".

Have fun with your "wargames" btw. Lol pathetic

nope

incursions were added to hisec and they were vastly more lucrative than any other activity in the game short of running capital escalations in wormholes, causing an exodus of PvE alts to hisec

continue being wrong i guess

More profit for highsec will never go wrong.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-03-11 23:52:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses

Maybe we can get Jita to TiDi for another few hours and see...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-03-11 23:53:05 UTC
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Antir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-11 23:54:47 UTC
If you think that's what they've been going on about it really says it all.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-03-11 23:56:14 UTC
Antir wrote:
If you think that's what they've been going on about it really says it all.

This is an "honest" look.

Every inconvenient detail is unnecessary for ~true~ "honesty".

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-03-11 23:56:40 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.


nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-11 23:57:22 UTC
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-11 23:58:19 UTC
you're still wrong and you haven't "stirred" any snakes, we just smelled the blood in the water

please continue being wrong because your cashout potential from this game is being threatened

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2013-03-11 23:59:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.

nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area

We all know here on EVEO GD that highsec is far more than a newbie area.

It's a glorious productive utopia kept safe by CONCORD and maintained by all the NPC Corporations, like Caldari Navy, who maintains a massive trade hub in an assembly plant....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-03-11 23:59:47 UTC
there's plenty of complaining about sov you nitwit you just don't have the wits to notice anything but a threat to your bot-aspirant behavior
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-11 23:59:49 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.


check it out, ladies and gentlemen, this guy thinks we haven't been pushing for sov mechanics changes since 2010 while CCP has been more focused on bullshit expansions like tyrannis, incursion and incarna

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2013-03-12 00:00:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
you're still wrong and you haven't "stirred" any snakes, we just smelled the blood in the water

please continue being wrong because your cashout potential from this game is being threatened

Internet spaceship forum blood.

Anyway highsec is safe, there shouldn't be spaceblood there. Unless an evil suicide ganker accidentally a freighter with 12 billion isk of stuff in it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-03-12 00:00:51 UTC
~by saying something hilariously obviously wrong in the title, i have puppetmastered people into opposing me which somehow means i was right all along~

~i have won again, people with braincells~
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-03-12 00:01:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.


nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area


Without a change to null sec SOV mechanics...where will they go? Oh, that's right. They will either rent from you or get popped until they unsubscribe and uninstall.

Any push for change to move players out of high sec that doesn't include and in depth push to change SOV mechanics is just and empty self serving load of malarkey.

Put your money were your mouth is. Back change to high sec and null sec SOV.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2013-03-12 00:02:06 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
there's plenty of complaining about sov you nitwit you just don't have the wits to notice anything but a threat to your bot-aspirant behavior

Ah I see. The James 315 thread is a different one, why did you make a post about null for that?

Bumpers and gankers in highsec are pretty different from industrialists using nearly free and highly available production slots in NPC station.
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.


check it out, ladies and gentlemen, this guy thinks we haven't been pushing for sov mechanics changes since 2010 while CCP has been more focused on bullshit expansions like tyrannis, incursion and incarna

Should've shoved them harder, maybe we could have avoided incarna.

Nah, it was inevitable.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-03-12 00:02:45 UTC
do the thing you have been doing for years

not because you have been doing it for years do it because i command you

please

someone do something because of me besides mock me

please
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-03-12 00:02:53 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

Because changing the way industry is done in null is a part of changing how sov works
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-03-12 00:03:31 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Andski wrote:
also let me know when the equivalent of a ~20-30 minute engagement in hisec leads to 600b in losses


The fact that you had that much to lose really doesnt fit well with the "we are poor, buff null sec or we will starve" argument the sock puppets have been running on the board for about a week.


nobody has said that

the argument is that hisec being as lucrative as it is means that there is no incentive to fund your ships in 0.0 and actually put your assets at risk, rather than simply funding your PvP in the risk-free newbie area


Without a change to null sec SOV mechanics...where will they go? Oh, that's right. They will either rent from you or get popped until they unsubscribe and uninstall.

Any push for change to move players out of high sec that doesn't include and in depth push to change SOV mechanics is just and empty self serving load of malarkey.

Put your money were your mouth is. Back change to high sec and null sec SOV.


**** we haven't lobbied for sov changes

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar