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AFK Cloaky Cyno Camping High Rewards, Zero Risk and Effort

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Jacid
Corvix.
#81 - 2013-03-11 19:18:41 UTC
I just fly in null with local minimized and i never have to worry about those afk cloakers Big smile
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#82 - 2013-03-11 19:43:18 UTC
afk cloaking threads are so funny and so frustrating at the same time.

its like reality TV but more interactive Lol

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#83 - 2013-03-11 19:45:41 UTC
I'm still looking for those high rewards from AFK cloaking.

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#84 - 2013-03-11 22:59:45 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
I'm still looking for those high rewards from AFK cloaking.

Have you checked your other jeans?

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DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-03-12 00:59:22 UTC
Honestly I'm still looking for rewards for cloaking in general =V

short of a few nitched professions, ships that can equip covert ops cloak is generally...useless.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#86 - 2013-03-12 08:31:23 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Forgive a new player for his ignorance if it's the case, but why not simply make Cloaking Devices use more capacitor energy to run? It could even be on first activation (big cap usage on activation) and then lower cap drain per cycle just to maintain the cloak active... Could also be a certain percentage of the ship's capacitor that way you can't simply counter it with cap mods.

What this would do:

1. If balanced properly, prevent someone from staying cloaked indefinitely (as long as they disable cap boosters while cloaking device is active)
2. Prevent someone from immediately warping away when decloaked (not enough cap remaining to warp)
3. Limit the fitting possibilities of cloak-able ships so that T1 frigates may not be able to use them forever (thus fix your low risk high reward complaint)
4. Force cloak equipped players to decloak once in a while to recharge cap.

Would this work or would it just make more people cry?


Because it's a terrible nerf to cloaking ships, and hinders legitimate, active activities like long term reconnaissance? It also destroys wormhole space if people have to decloak and wait for cap to recharge...

and, above all else, it is a "fix" to a problem that doesn't exist. People staying cloaked forever isn't the issue. People seeing them in local and crying is.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-03-12 11:35:33 UTC
Oh, this again?

Someone who is AFK and cloaked is not a threat. If you know he is in the system, he is not a threat. As soon as he decloaks or local spikes, THEN run your asses back to the station. Fit a proper tank to your PvE boats so you can survive a bomber hotdrop long enough to at least get your pod out, and don't rat in a ******* carrier. Keep a damn eye on D-scan.

Put on your big boy britches and deal with it. You live in nullsec, for ****'s sake. Have your PvE bears fit a point to their ships and have all friendlies within a system be in a standing fleet. Classic WH dweller mechanics for dealing with the ever-possible cloaky T3 hunter. Without the instant intel benefits of immediate-mode local.

/thread.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Jacid
Corvix.
#88 - 2013-03-12 15:18:01 UTC
I think what the OP is saying is that he wants to stop local as an instant intel tool and with that I agree with the OP
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#89 - 2013-03-12 15:39:23 UTC
Jacid wrote:
I think what the OP is saying is that he wants to stop local as an instant intel tool and with that I agree with the OP

LOL, he states in his original post the thread is not about local.

The implication is that Local cannot be unbalanced, however cloaking / cyno usage can be.
Despite the demonstrated fact that they relate directly to each other, in the context present.

Yep....

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#90 - 2013-03-13 00:52:27 UTC
AFK CLOAKING PRESSENTS NO THREAT BECAUSE THEY ARE AFK

FFS WHAT IS WITH F U C K WITS WHO CANT GET THIS THROUGH THEIR HEAD

What you want to stop is someone who uses cloaking as Combat Tactic via Gurellia Warfare, i think you have been hotdropped by a Black Ops fleet one too many times, or hot dropped by a Cloaky IBIS one too many times, quit B I T C H I N G you CAREBEAR MOFO!!!

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Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#91 - 2013-03-13 12:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Onomerous
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Jacid wrote:
I think what the OP is saying is that he wants to stop local as an instant intel tool and with that I agree with the OP

LOL, he states in his original post the thread is not about local.

The implication is that Local cannot be unbalanced, however cloaking / cyno usage can be.
Despite the demonstrated fact that they relate directly to each other, in the context present.

Yep....


I would say there is a third part to this equation: force projection. It is rarely mentioned (you did referenced cyno usage) but is the elephant in the room. All three must be taken together when you are discussing the OP.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#92 - 2013-03-14 07:01:55 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The problem these days is the greedy risk averse carebears that have now filtered into null. Null is supposed to be dangerous. That means the neutral floating around in your system might be a threat, you have to accept that. If you don't, go back to highsec. Don't **** and moan that you don't have perfect safety in null because a single neutral is roaming around and you can't quickly and easily find & kill him and go back to your crappy PVE


The reason why I moan is that I can't find the cloaked bastard when I want to. It's not that hes in the system but that I cannot go and blow him up if want to cause he turns hes "superAFKcloakmodule" online and hides in the void. Thats the reason why I'm moaning not cause I could not go and mine or rat.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#93 - 2013-03-14 07:09:56 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The problem these days is the greedy risk averse carebears that have now filtered into null. Null is supposed to be dangerous. That means the neutral floating around in your system might be a threat, you have to accept that. If you don't, go back to highsec. Don't **** and moan that you don't have perfect safety in null because a single neutral is roaming around and you can't quickly and easily find & kill him and go back to your crappy PVE


The reason why I moan is that I can't find the cloaked bastard when I want to. It's not that hes in the system but that I cannot go and blow him up if want to cause he turns hes "superAFKcloakmodule" online and hides in the void. Thats the reason why I'm moaning not cause I could not go and mine or rat.


So please explain me this, why are all cloaky ships AFK? If i activate my cloak i cant use my client and do ****? Cause it makes me afk? What?
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#94 - 2013-03-14 07:17:22 UTC
Evanga wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
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The reason why I moan is that I can't find the cloaked bastard when I want to. It's not that hes in the system but that I cannot go and blow him up if want to cause he turns hes "superAFKcloakmodule" online and hides in the void. Thats the reason why I'm moaning not cause I could not go and mine or rat.


So please explain me this, why are all cloaky ships AFK? If i activate my cloak i cant use my client and do ****? Cause it makes me afk? What?


I didn't say they are all AFK did I? Shocked and there are plenty of things you can do while your ship is cloaked.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#95 - 2013-03-14 09:18:56 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Evanga wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
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The reason why I moan is that I can't find the cloaked bastard when I want to. It's not that hes in the system but that I cannot go and blow him up if want to cause he turns hes "superAFKcloakmodule" online and hides in the void. Thats the reason why I'm moaning not cause I could not go and mine or rat.


So please explain me this, why are all cloaky ships AFK? If i activate my cloak i cant use my client and do ****? Cause it makes me afk? What?


I didn't say they are all AFK did I? Shocked and there are plenty of things you can do while your ship is cloaked.

Yes there are, but none of them involve physical interaction.

And you called it a "superAFKvloakmodule" so yeah, that certainly gives the impression you have a problem with the afk part.

If you don't like cloaks, your playing the wrong game. Cloaks are an integral part of eve now. More to the point, if someone gets a fast little frigate in a system and can go fast enough, you won't probe them down and you can't catch them either. Is that another problem you would complain about?

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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-03-14 09:26:13 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I didn't say they are all AFK did I? Shocked and there are plenty of things you can do while your ship is cloaked.


Yeah!... like watching youtube, or having a wee, getting food is good too. RollRollRoll

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#97 - 2013-03-14 10:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
Hakan MacTrew wrote:


Yes there are, but none of them involve physical interaction.

And you called it a "superAFKvloakmodule" so yeah, that certainly gives the impression you have a problem with the afk part.

If you don't like cloaks, your playing the wrong game. Cloaks are an integral part of eve now. More to the point, if someone gets a fast little frigate in a system and can go fast enough, you won't probe them down and you can't catch them either. Is that another problem you would complain about?


Like I said earlier the problem what I have with cloaks is the part that i cannot find them. And yes AFK cloaking also pisses me off but not because they are AFK but because I cannot go out to find them. And well if theres a way to use frigates so that you could not pin point their location into space and get onto the same grid by probing him down, then yes I would complain about that too.

And how does my opinions turn into that I'm playing a wrong game. From some of your posts I could say the same about most of the people who writes in this forums so lets drop that right now.

TheSkeptic wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I didn't say they are all AFK did I? Shocked and there are plenty of things you can do while your ship is cloaked.


Yeah!... like watching youtube, or having a wee, getting food is good too. RollRollRoll


That doesn't mean that I should not have a way to find your ship from space and blow it up while you have left it defenceless at that moment when you went shopping.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-03-14 10:24:38 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:

TheSkeptic wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I didn't say they are all AFK did I? Shocked and there are plenty of things you can do while your ship is cloaked.


Yeah!... like watching youtube, or having a wee, getting food is good too. RollRollRoll


That doesn't mean that I should not have a way to find your ship from space and blow it up while you have left it defenceless at that moment when you went shopping.


yeah, and you also shouldn't be able to AFK in a tower or station and boost system numbers if you aren't really there either. RollRollRollRollRollRoll

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#99 - 2013-03-14 11:35:28 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:

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yeah, and you also shouldn't be able to AFK in a tower or station and boost system numbers if you aren't really there either. RollRollRollRollRollRoll


if you have read CMS minutes you would know that CCP was thinking of removing pos shields and redoing towers. Tough I don't read everything there are in these forums or all the stuff that pops up so that might have changed.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#100 - 2013-03-14 11:48:09 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:

Like I said earlier the problem what I have with cloaks is the part that i cannot find them. And yes AFK cloaking also pisses me off but not because they are AFK but because I cannot go out to find them. And well if theres a way to use frigates so that you could not pin point their location into space and get onto the same grid by probing him down, then yes I would complain about that too.


well thats the purpose of a cloak right? People arent able to find you...so whats the problem here? You want low effort easy pvp?
Then go gank ppl in high sec?

I complain about ppl complaining about something that ain't broken. Lol