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The long reach of James 315's New Order

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Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
#21 - 2013-03-11 16:14:10 UTC
*Yawn.* Next thread.

So... um... yeah!
Bjron
501st Amarr
#22 - 2013-03-11 16:33:05 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Bjron wrote:
culo duro wrote:
Bjron wrote:
Lol, I don't have a permit. I wont buy one and there is nothing you can do about it.

Come get me. (Amarr space).

Pro tip. You can't.


i don't get why people would buy a permit. :p

Who knows, I want to see what reply I get.

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From what I can tell, they will bump you to hell and really make you rage Big smile

If James and crew can bump my ship out of the hanger, then Ill be impressed.
Skullmaker90
Masters of Karate and Friendship
Safety.
#23 - 2013-03-11 16:35:40 UTC
I don't think the logic here is very sound. Killing noob miners, or "bot aspirants" will not turn them to join a low-sec/null-sec corp. In fact it's probably moving them away from the game, causing mineral prices to go up therefore module prices etc. Wait, that's right in line with goons and tests ideologies of trying (with failing attempts) to move more people down to null, weird. #TinfoilHat. Anyway, anyone who actually buys a permit kinda deserves to be scammed in the first place. If the NO wants to clear botters, warp into a belt, Convo the pilot and if they're there leave em' be. If not, go ahead and blow em up, no need to "charge" people to mine, no need for unnecessary killing. If the situation keeps going the way it is now, I hope the player community and CCP see this for what it really is, griefing. Oh and btw I've spoken out in game against the NO and nothing has ever happened to me, check my killboard. Have a good day!
Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#24 - 2013-03-11 17:55:03 UTC
I'm bot mining in my hulk right now! Where are you James... SAVE ME!
Haulie Berry
#25 - 2013-03-11 17:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
James315's whole shtick being the Saviour of Highsec, it's not immediately clear to me why the NO would be overly concerned with nullsec miners.
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-11 18:01:52 UTC
As a player who joined as a result of the New Order, I can tell you very new players don't fly Macks or Orcas
Not even close. I can also tell you that if someone unsubs as a result of the actions of the Order, it's okay because others sub as a result of the actions of the Order.

Some of these arguments are old, some are comical. I especially liked the "you can't stop me from mining if I'm docked in station" argument. It has a certain cleverness to it.

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#27 - 2013-03-11 18:28:33 UTC
Hoping to see the NO go down to Syndicate Nullsec moar often! Pretty sure the corps and alliances down there would like moar targets!
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-11 19:05:43 UTC
And yet, bads like you demand that we respond to CrazedCC's griefing tactics as if it will change anything.

I'm sorry, "James 315's"...

Sorry, hard to take you seriously when you act so butthurt. :)

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Dasia Kairi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-11 22:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dasia Kairi
The entire NO premise is full of BS Bizarro logic. Players who don't like null aren't going to be forced into going, grief them enough that they can't play how they want & they'd be more likely to ragequit than move. It just amazes me that they're too ignorant to realize that if all the carebears actually DID leave the game, there wouldn't be a game to grief them in; or at best, a lot fewer targets. Running your prey out of the game is like pissing on your lunch then bitching that you have nothing to eat.

& when all that business is said & done & over, carebears will still find null sec to be boring & due to politics, etc, to generally suck, & scores of players will continue to avoid it like that leperous king in "Kingdom of Heaven".

PS: Ganking someone repeatedly in an attempt to get them to like PvP makes about as much sense as shooting someone in the kneecaps repeatedly IRL to convince them to join the NRA.
Red SPlKE
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-03-11 22:22:26 UTC
I like the NO its like they are rp griefers against the customers of ORE and so.Though with a perma hulkageddon fad, I wonder how it is affecting other t2 ships. I hope someone has spreadsheets of before and after the NO.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#31 - 2013-03-11 22:22:50 UTC
Dasia Kairi wrote:
The entire NO premise is full of BS Bizarro logic. Players who don't like null aren't going to be forced into going, grief them enough that they can't play how they want & they'd be more likely to ragequit than move. It just amazes me that they're too ignorant to realize that if all the carebears actually DID leave the game, there wouldn't be a game to grief them in; or at best, a lot fewer targets. Running your prey out of the game is like pissing on your lunch then bitching that you have nothing to eat.

& when all that business is said & done & over, carebears will still find null sec to be boring & due to politics, etc, to generally suck, & scores of players will continue to avoid it like that leperous king in "Kingdom of Heaven".

PS: Ganking someone repeatedly in an attempt to get them to like PvP makes about as much sense as shooting someone in the kneecaps repeatedly IRL to convince them to join the NRA.



The highsec miners engage in market PVP by their very existance.

Exterminating their barges, cracking open their capsules and feasting upon the burning remains of their expensive mining link implants is our counterstrike to their PVP actions.

Of course, they could just buy a permit and treat enforcers of the Code with respect, and then be left alone.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dasia Kairi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-03-11 22:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dasia Kairi
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dasia Kairi wrote:
The entire NO premise is full of BS Bizarro logic. Players who don't like null aren't going to be forced into going, grief them enough that they can't play how they want & they'd be more likely to ragequit than move. It just amazes me that they're too ignorant to realize that if all the carebears actually DID leave the game, there wouldn't be a game to grief them in; or at best, a lot fewer targets. Running your prey out of the game is like pissing on your lunch then bitching that you have nothing to eat.

& when all that business is said & done & over, carebears will still find null sec to be boring & due to politics, etc, to generally suck, & scores of players will continue to avoid it like that leperous king in "Kingdom of Heaven".

PS: Ganking someone repeatedly in an attempt to get them to like PvP makes about as much sense as shooting someone in the kneecaps repeatedly IRL to convince them to join the NRA.



The highsec miners engage in market PVP by their very existance.

Exterminating their barges, cracking open their capsules and feasting upon the burning remains of their expensive mining link implants is our counterstrike to their PVP actions.

Of course, they could just buy a permit and treat enforcers of the Code with respect, and then be left alone.


Rprprp?

Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#33 - 2013-03-11 22:38:41 UTC
The Butterfly Effect in action. (In the flies to Mexico and gets eaten by a Swallow way)

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#34 - 2013-03-11 22:58:41 UTC
Dasia Kairi wrote:


Rprprp?

Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere.



I have seen several people drawn to EVE by the player-created stories like the New Order, the Guiding Hand Social Club and the Asakai battle.

I'm yet to see one person subscribe because they think EVE's mining interface is exciting.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-11 23:17:20 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dasia Kairi wrote:


Rprprp?

Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere.



I have seen several people drawn to EVE by the player-created stories like the New Order, the Guiding Hand Social Club and the Asakai battle.

I'm yet to see one person subscribe because they think EVE's mining interface is exciting.


So true. I came for the battle of Asakai, stayed for the New Order.

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#36 - 2013-03-11 23:20:43 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dasia Kairi wrote:


Rprprp?

Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere.



I have seen several people drawn to EVE by the player-created stories like the New Order, the Guiding Hand Social Club and the Asakai battle.

I'm yet to see one person subscribe because they think EVE's mining interface is exciting.


So true. I came for the battle of Asakai, stayed for the New Order.



Yeah I read about the GHSC (well, well after it happened) and got started on EVE as a result.

Because in this game, what players do matters. Unlike WOW, where the world is the same whether your raid group kills Deathwing or Arthas or whoever it is now or not. Player actions change the game world.

The botters, bot aspirants and bot enablers are changing the game world. The Saviour of Highsec saw it first, and is the leader of the resistance to their attacks on this game.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dasia Kairi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-03-11 23:23:34 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dasia Kairi wrote:


Rprprp?

Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere.



I have seen several people drawn to EVE by the player-created stories like the New Order, the Guiding Hand Social Club and the Asakai battle.

I'm yet to see one person subscribe because they think EVE's mining interface is exciting.


Yeah, & we all know that things that you haven't personally witnessed don't exist, amirite? Fallacy much? If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person who ever lived.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#38 - 2013-03-11 23:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: admiral root
Dasia Kairi wrote:
Players who don't like null aren't going to be forced into going,


That's good, becuase the New Order isn't trying to force them there. It's also bad in that those players are going to miss out on a huge chunk of the game.

Dasia Kairi wrote:
grief them enough that they can't play how they want & they'd be more likely to ragequit than move.


First off, it's not griefing. The devs and GMs have been over this time and time again, so either you're deliberately ignoring this, fail at reading comprehension, or are just mad that they disagree with you.

As for being able to play the way they want, every Eve player is free to *try* and do that, but all have to accept that others can and will interfere. People who can't accept that should move along to another game because they're never going to have a good time here.

Dasia Kairi wrote:
It just amazes me that they're too ignorant to realize that if all the carebears actually DID leave the game, there wouldn't be a game to grief them in; or at best, a lot fewer targets. Running your prey out of the game is like pissing on your lunch then bitching that you have nothing to eat.


The people who will leave are the people who want Eve to be not-Eve. Now, if you mean huge numbers of miners will leave, then I would point out to you that there's plenty of players who are primarily combat pilots who are more than capable (and willing) to do industry. Removing the whine bears would actually make it more profitable.

Dasia Kairi wrote:
carebears will still find null sec to be boring & due to politics, etc, to generally suck,


I can't stand nullsec politics so guess what? I don't go anywhere near them. NBSI is as political as I get - in the time I've played this game I've been beneath the notice of Goons, blue to them, red to them and now blue to them again. I wouldn't care if that changed every single day, because I just shoot at what my overview shows without any personal feelings either way. Being involved in politics is absolutely not a requirement unless you're insane enough to want to be involved in running an alliance or coalition. I tip my hat to anyone who can do that stuff well, just so long as they don't want me to do anything more than fleet up and pew pew.

Nullsec is no different that anywhere else in Eve, which is to say it's as boring or as interesting as you make it. I think anyone who is bored in this game, regardless of what security space they're in, is doing it wrong.

Dasia Kairi wrote:
PS: Ganking someone repeatedly in an attempt to get them to like PvP makes about as much sense as shooting someone in the kneecaps repeatedly IRL to convince them to join the NRA.


Ganking people opens their eyes to the splendour and majesty of Eve. They suddenly realise that it's not a single-player game and that there's all kinds of other cool stuff out there. Some people learn slower than others, but the New Order (and other wonderful PvP'ers) kindly donate their time, ships and holy antimatter to repeat the lesson as often as is needed. Our no miner left behind policy is just one facet of James 315's inclusive attitude toward highsec residents and visitors.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-03-11 23:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vin King
Dasia Kairi wrote:

Yeah, & we all know that things that you haven't personally witnessed don't exist, amirite? Fallacy much? If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person who ever lived.


Are you suggesting someone specifically joined this game on account of how glorious mining appeared to be?

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#40 - 2013-03-11 23:40:21 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Dasia Kairi wrote:

Yeah, & we all know that things that you haven't personally witnessed don't exist, amirite? Fallacy much? If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person who ever lived.


Are you suggesting someone specifically joined this game on account of how glorious mining appeared to be?


I would love to see evidence to back up this absurd claim.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com