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Should nullsec industry > hisec industry?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#921 - 2013-03-11 20:39:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

You don't, that's why if you're doing it in nullsec, you're doing supercapitals.

Death to all supers.
Frying Doom
#922 - 2013-03-11 20:58:14 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maybe it's hard for me to understand because the **** you're saying is blatantly untrue.
You're spewing a ton of crap about how everyone who doesn't go to null must automatically be risk averse, and how that's the ONLY reason - no, it can't possibly have anything to do with the game mechanics concerning industry.
I'm quite sure the risk aversity is why a lot of people are in highsec, but there are a sizeable number of people in nullsec alliances who do their industry in highsec. Why? It's not because they're averse to risk.
No, nullsec industry is not feasible.
It's broken.
It needs to be fixed.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?


No, it's not blatantly untrue. Quite the contrary, it's blatantly obvious.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to lead anyone to believe that the lack of industrial players/corps in null sec is due to lack of industrial opportunities? Furthermore, I didn't say that risk avoidance was the only reason, I said it was the main reason. There are others clearly listed in my previous post. Why do null sec alliances do their industry in high sec? The same reason high sec alliances do their industry in high sec. The math isn't that difficult. And if you think risk aversion isn't part of that equation, again, I'd remind you to remove those rose colored glasses.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maybe you should ask Psychotic Monk that same question, or anybody else who is running for or who has previously held a position on CSM.


Maybe you should keep your nose out of posts that have nothing to do with you? You're having a hard enough time keeping up with your own.

Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#923 - 2013-03-11 21:24:13 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maybe it's hard for me to understand because the **** you're saying is blatantly untrue.
You're spewing a ton of crap about how everyone who doesn't go to null must automatically be risk averse, and how that's the ONLY reason - no, it can't possibly have anything to do with the game mechanics concerning industry.
I'm quite sure the risk aversity is why a lot of people are in highsec, but there are a sizeable number of people in nullsec alliances who do their industry in highsec. Why? It's not because they're averse to risk.
No, nullsec industry is not feasible.
It's broken.
It needs to be fixed.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?


No, it's not blatantly untrue. Quite the contrary, it's blatantly obvious.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to lead anyone to believe that the lack of industrial players/corps in null sec is due to lack of industrial opportunities? Furthermore, I didn't say that risk avoidance was the only reason, I said it was the main reason. There are others clearly listed in my previous post. Why do null sec alliances do their industry in high sec? The same reason high sec alliances do their industry in high sec. The math isn't that difficult. And if you think risk aversion isn't part of that equation, again, I'd remind you to remove those rose colored glasses.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maybe you should ask Psychotic Monk that same question, or anybody else who is running for or who has previously held a position on CSM.


Maybe you should keep your nose out of posts that have nothing to do with you? You're having a hard enough time keeping up with your own.



I _want_ to get back into nullsec industry (flew with a GBC corp/alliance a long, long time ago ... I still don't know how I got in). But my problem is that I don't really like PvP, and the few corps that I've seen talking about having nullsec are (generally) of the "all PvP all the time" persuasion. If they're not, then "we're scrub renters".


I want to get back with a group that it feels like we're getting something done ... but at the same time, I don't have what they're looking for (good KB, etc).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#924 - 2013-03-11 21:57:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry.

This, I can get on board with. Approved.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#925 - 2013-03-11 22:20:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


This is the naive view from those backing the null sec blob alliances rhetoric and spin. A buff to income in null sec is not going into the wallets of individuals seeking more wealth in null sec but instead into the wallets of the large blue null sec care bear alliances. There is already more revenue generates in null sec than there is in high sec.

The null bears get a win win. They earn more ISK on top of the, already gamewide high, revenue they enjoy currently and get to pop "noobs" trying to branch out in search of the isk that was taken from the revenue pools were they currently play.

Just say no to this type of self centered rhetoric and spin.

A nerf to high sec and a buff to null isn't in the best interests of the game....but it sure is in the interest of the richest minority and their care bear null sec playgrounds.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Antir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#926 - 2013-03-11 22:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Antir
Sariah Kion wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


This is the naive view from those backing the null sec blob alliances rhetoric and spin. A buff to income in null sec is not going into the wallets of individuals seeking more wealth in null sec but instead into the wallets of the large blue null sec care bear alliances. There is already more revenue generates in null sec than there is in high sec.

The null bears get a win win. They earn more ISK on top of the, already gamewide high, revenue they enjoy currently and get to pop "noobs" trying to branch out in search of the isk that was taken from the revenue pools were they currently play.

Just say no to this type of self centered rhetoric and spin.

A nerf to high sec and a buff to null isn't in the best interests of the game....but it sure is in the interest of the richest minority and their care bear null sec playgrounds.


You are dumb the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine in high sec but they would like the opportunity to do that in 0.0. I used to run an industrial pos in delve but the considerable effort was not offset by how much easier and cheaper it was and is to import from empire.
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#927 - 2013-03-11 22:28:26 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry.

This, I can get on board with. Approved.


This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec.

To have them trying to cater their argument in such a way to make it seem like it benefits the individuals or small corps looking to make isk in null sec is pure hogwash.

This is about the rich blobs getting more wealthy and making their "mortal enemy" the high sec industrialist take a hit. It has nothing to do with some benevolent stance in the name of balance or fairness.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#928 - 2013-03-11 22:29:45 UTC
Antir wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


This is the naive view from those backing the null sec blob alliances rhetoric and spin. A buff to income in null sec is not going into the wallets of individuals seeking more wealth in null sec but instead into the wallets of the large blue null sec care bear alliances. There is already more revenue generates in null sec than there is in high sec.

The null bears get a win win. They earn more ISK on top of the, already gamewide high, revenue they enjoy currently and get to pop "noobs" trying to branch out in search of the isk that was taken from the revenue pools were they currently play.

Just say no to this type of self centered rhetoric and spin.

A nerf to high sec and a buff to null isn't in the best interests of the game....but it sure is in the interest of the richest minority and their care bear null sec playgrounds.


You are dumb the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine in high sec but they would like the opportunity to do that in 0.0. I used to run an industrial pos in delve but the considerable effort was not offset by how much easier and cheaper it was and is to import from empire.


Oh no! The null sec care bear from Goonswarm called me "dumb". The horror....and irony.

[b]Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President[/b] Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. [u]A modern girl for a modern world.[/u]
Frying Doom
#929 - 2013-03-11 22:33:55 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Kane Alvo wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry.

This, I can get on board with. Approved.


This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec.

Well then would you care to explain my interest in it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#930 - 2013-03-11 22:34:05 UTC
GOON....... grrrrrrrrrrr
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#931 - 2013-03-11 22:35:00 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Oh no! The null sec care bear from Goonswarm called me "dumb". The horror....and irony.

'You called me dumb but it is in fact you that is dumb' is not actually irony, despite what listening to all those Alanis Morrisette records may have taught you.

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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#932 - 2013-03-11 23:32:41 UTC
Please post civilly and constructively, thanks!

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#933 - 2013-03-11 23:42:22 UTC
I have removed some spamming from this thread.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#934 - 2013-03-11 23:43:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Kane Alvo wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.

As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.

But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.

Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.

The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.


Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry.

This, I can get on board with. Approved.


This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec.

Well then would you care to explain my interest in it?

Because you're a deep cover GSF forums infiltration agent.

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#935 - 2013-03-11 23:44:27 UTC
Antir wrote:
the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine


/thread
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#936 - 2013-03-11 23:46:56 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Antir wrote:
the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine

/thread

Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story.

Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#937 - 2013-03-11 23:51:07 UTC
Personally, I would like for industry to be viable, not just on large, but also on smaller scale for nullsec, so the individual indy can go there and set up shop, supplying the local market with their needs and wishes.
Not an alliance level massive undertaking, but just the little guy who wants more from Eve than the everyday easy humdrum of freightering goods around, and firing up lines in high sec.

Once small scale industry like this, with a turnover of say 5-10B a month is viable in null, I know where I will be.

Hint: It's not in highsec.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Antir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#938 - 2013-03-11 23:51:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Antir wrote:
the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine

/thread

Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story.

Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.


Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.
Tesal
#939 - 2013-03-12 00:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesal
Antir wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Antir wrote:
the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine

/thread

Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story.

Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.


Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.


Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null?
Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#940 - 2013-03-12 00:13:12 UTC
Antir wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Antir wrote:
the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine

/thread

Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story.

Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.

Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.

We have a delicious blue donut, after all.

I wonder how those ratters down in delve are enjoying it...

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