Ships & Modules

Let me clarify my earlier 'Use BSs' comment.

We do double cap ship escalations in all sites in our C6 and its various attached static C5s and to be honest that seems to be where the real money is.
In an ideal world to maximise isk we should run just carriers, dreads and loki webs, but we do things a bit differently because like you not everyone can/wants to fly cap ships and the inclusion of everyone in corp activities who wants to join in is always a good thing. As such we run 2 carriers and BSs for dps, usually with a Tengu or two, the odd Drake and a Loki.

I've seen a sleeper BS spawn two-shot through a 70k ehp shield buffer and put a battleship into structure from over 100km away. It mght not be supposed to happen but it does. A BC just can't tank that sort of damage, even with carrier/logi support. You are also limiting your outgoing dps, and hence isk efficiency by using long range BCs with either long range ammo or fighting in deep falloff.
Our BSs generally put out ~1k dps each (depending on range/ammo ofc) and we recommend a minimum of about 80k ehp to avoid being alpha'd. You just can't do that efficiently in a sniper BC.

I can see what you are wanting to do in your BCs, and yeah, it's do-able if you are willing to trade it off for questionable isk efficiency and accept a few losses to sleepers here and there. Hell, it's probably even good fun, props for doing it 'outside the box'.
It is not, however how I believe the sites were designed to be run or indeed how they were balanced. They seem clearly designed around cap / BS / T3 fleets and glass cannon BCs will always have a bit of a hard time.

(Also if you get jumped a sniper BC fleet can be nuked by a few bombers, a 2 x carrier backed BS fleet - with pvp ships ready in the hanger - can put up a damn good fight)

So how many times do I have to ask others for input on how it could WORK, as opposed to NOT work? I'm fine with criticism, but I see nothing positive here. No brainstorming on parts of K space where it would be useful. I could think of several - low/null gassing/mining, an additional tanking option for fleets on the hunt, put it up around a group of ships working any sites issuing, using drones inside the field to defend against frigates or cruisers. And if you're worried about making this unbalanced by making it too cheap, make it a tech 2 interdictor or equivalent in cost. More ISK on the field means more risk to use.

Seriously, are you guys this closed minded?

Thank you for your input. Insightful. I'm sincere about that.

It's a common theme here where someone thinks up an idea that they think is absolutely ingenious and posts about it here, only to get indignant when someone knocks it down. You're not the first, and you certainly won't be the last in that regard.

Take a step back and think again about the context in which you're making your proposal. First, as has been pointed out by others, you're using ships for a task in which they just don't work out for. While the attempt to see if there are new ways of doing things with existing tools is laudable, if it doesn't work out, you'll need to settle with it just not working out. The response is not to come up with some entirely new ship or module that does a very specific thing which would allow your very context-specific idea to (maybe) work in your favor.

Most wormhole dwellers are users of faction/navy BS or strat cruisers for that very reason. The more each member can do, the less members you need - this means more lewt for each member. A buffered BS will require much less logistics than a battlecruiser, therefore reducing the number of fleet members.

And btw, you're loosing ships. Profit is being lost. Ship up or scale down to C4's

And your idea isn't a new one. It's a variation on POS force-fields and would be impossible to balance in real PVP scenario's. They would either be horribly overpowered or pointless.

And as a final point, a gang booster can increase hit points and resistances which is a diluted form of extended your defenses to another ship and is already a usable feature.

Take it to Features & Ideas?

You're starting off with the massive unwarranted assumption that the final form of your idea will be perfectly balanced and not completely broken despite introducing all kinds of new mechanics. If that's truly the case, then sure bring it on. But you're basically so far off in fantasy land already that I doubt anyone here is much interested (otherwise we'd be posting in features & ideas). Instead we grab the concrete thing in your post ie "how do i make sniper BCs work in c5s" and post about that. I'm not specifically trying to **** on your idea, I'm just not interested in brainstorming it.

One of the best ways to find out something can work is to pull it apart and explore every possible way it can break.
IF once you've broken it and any associated issue it breaks along die it then you may have something that can work. This however does not mean it is 'balanced' just that it 'works'. You need to go through the process again with your 'wokring' prototype but this time focused on balance.....then and only then may you have something that works AND is balanced.

This not a trivial or easy task. Why do you think is take so long to get new stuff out?!?!?

I live in a c6. It's really not hard if you know how to capitalize on your system bonuses and sleeper mechanics. In the interest of being helpful, I genuinely think you should reevaluate your technique to sleeper sites. Hell, I'm actually pretty sure you can handle c6 sites with 3 guardians and faction (re: not deadspace even) bs very comfortably. If 6 people is a lot you to you, you may want to reconsider living in a c5 as the logistical complexities of wh kind of demands a little bigger community than that.

I would suggest that a "force field" ship which is simply a tank to provide a hitpoint shield for your squishies while still allowing them full scale of operation (including shooting, ewar...etc). (as the OP suggests) is inappropriate. Not least because it totally negates one of the major effects of the Sleeper AI.

What I can see working however (though it would need to be carefully approached with regard to the number of HPs it has (and many other factors) would be a sort of mobile POS bubble.
A portable harbour if you like, providing no benefits beyond its limited protection, preventing locks, logistics and neutering offensive actions... right up until the bubble collapses under the incoming fire.

It would not prevent losses among the OP's glass cannon but it might allow them to get close before exposing themselves to Sleeper fire.

@OP

It's simple, you're using the wrong tool for the job.
Instead of using the right one, and doing it right, you keep yourself entitled in your greedy ideas and would want the game to change to suit your needs instead.


Pick more friends with logistics

Pick BS's instead, Pirate BS or Marauders (T2 resists)

Pick T3's instead

Change for a lower class of WH since you don't like that one

You have choices, why don't you explore some of them instead?