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So all those slowcat fleets and the titans to get them into place are made in highsec?

Or are you simply ignoring every other part of the game as part of this troll campaign?

So?

You still can't build capital ships in highsec, they require POS lines in lowsec or lower to build, which means that it isn't any less convenient to build them in your sovereign space than it is anywhere else, and it should be more convenient to build them where you have your logistics set up to supply the materials properly.

As long as you have higher value items to build it would be foolish to use any additional productive capability to make T1 subcaps and modules.

So, of course, it stands to reason that the only way to make it economical to build them in nullsec is to make it uneconomical anywhere else, despite nullsec being the minority market for T1 (and even T2 and T3) by a fairly large margin.

So what makes you so important, bithugger?

Don't be silly, you need to train Alchemy V and then Advanced Alchemy to atleast IV for that to work. And we're looking at about 90 days for this. AA V is a horrible skill -stay away.

No,

Seriously. Null industry would benefit from worse logistics. If you know what you are doing, null is basically (at least if embedded in nice blue cotton made of a decent pvp meat shield) nearly as safe as high sec. The main problem I've seen is that 0.0 is centered around pvp to the exclusion of just about anything else.

Some corps, building caps, supers and titans, are exempt from the constant warfare - but industrial corps, building everything else, are upon frowned upon because it's easier to import stuff - and that saves people for pvp.

Increasing transportation overhead might enourage local markets in 0.0, but doing that before the dreadful deficit in 0.0 production capacity has been resolved would just kill 0.0 as quickly as removing all belts and missions would kill hi-sec.

You've never been in a single nullsec alliance or corporation. What makes you so sure of any of what you're saying when it's demonstrably untrue given that despite everything there are already some nullsec industrial corps, AND despite that several people have said they would like to do industry in null if it were feasible?

I've never been a carpenter either, but I can say with a fair degree of certainty that a house without a roof is going to get wet.

"Some" nullsec industrial corps and "several people" who would do industry do not equal the wide sweeping changes that are being advocated in this thread, or by some of the CSM candidates. Industry in null is already feasible. Maybe it's not convenient or as profitable as you would like, but don't act as if it's broken completely.

Players will make their own choices. You could buff null industry until you're blue in the face, and it still won't attract the vast majority of the risk averse high sec industrialists. If it were (using your word here) feasible for them to be in null sec, then that's where they'd already be. The majority of them are in high sec because they don't want the bother of looking over their shoulder. They don't want the PvP element. They don't want to deal with super NPC spawns in belts. They don't want to be just another cog in the machine of a null sec super alliance.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Maybe it's hard for me to understand because the **** you're saying is blatantly untrue.
You're spewing a ton of crap about how everyone who doesn't go to null must automatically be risk averse, and how that's the ONLY reason - no, it can't possibly have anything to do with the game mechanics concerning industry.
I'm quite sure the risk aversity is why a lot of people are in highsec, but there are a sizeable number of people in nullsec alliances who do their industry in highsec. Why? It's not because they're averse to risk.
No, nullsec industry is not feasible.
It's broken.
It needs to be fixed.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?

No, it's not blatantly untrue. Quite the contrary, it's blatantly obvious.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to lead anyone to believe that the lack of industrial players/corps in null sec is due to lack of industrial opportunities? Furthermore, I didn't say that risk avoidance was the only reason, I said it was the main reason. There are others clearly listed in my previous post. Why do null sec alliances do their industry in high sec? The same reason high sec alliances do their industry in high sec. The math isn't that difficult. And if you think risk aversion isn't part of that equation, again, I'd remind you to remove those rose colored glasses.



Maybe you should keep your nose out of posts that have nothing to do with you? You're having a hard enough time keeping up with your own.

RIP Vile Rat? (Not really a politician, but a true life diplomat).

You don't, that's why if you're doing it in nullsec, you're doing supercapitals.