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Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-05 18:58:18 UTC
I have been going through some old ships and fits in efit. And I have found that my Hurricanes are lacking PG. I know they was ok before the expansion because I was flying about in one of them. Since the new expansion it now says I do not have enough PG to fit everything.

Nothing has changed about my character implants or skills other than training some LADAR, Reactive armour skill books.

Anyone else had the same problems?
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-05 19:02:53 UTC
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-05 19:46:37 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029



Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-06 14:38:16 UTC
Kiran wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029



Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.




Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me.

Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Lol

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Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-07 00:36:54 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029



Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.




Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me.

Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Lol


Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything.
Azriel Artram
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#6 - 2013-03-11 16:15:23 UTC
the changes to the cane seem to move away for the matar idea of going full dps and then run away really fast

the ferox has gotten an extra gun. i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach

ruined my cane ;/ i hold hope for faction BC one day, faction cane will rule the stars!!!

We have crossed the galaxy, flown past star not visable in our native skies, to punch you in the face. 

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-11 16:29:56 UTC
Well I jsut exchanged my canes for cyclones and harbigners. sicne they are now superior on the specific roels I used my cane. For arti blapping I already had my munin.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#8 - 2013-03-11 17:08:22 UTC
Azriel Artram wrote:


i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach



7 double dmg bonussed turrets on a tech 1 BC? The winmatar baddie fanboi is strong in this one.
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-11 18:15:55 UTC
Some of the ship balances I can understand as they were needed. The hurricane though was good as it was. Some of the changes do not make any sense to me.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#10 - 2013-03-11 21:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Kiran wrote:
Some of the ship balances I can understand as they were needed. The hurricane though was good as it was. Some of the changes do not make any sense to me.


The Hurricane was one of only two battlecruisers that were ever flown. In addition to ridiculous speed and agility for a battlecruiser it had nigh-immunity to smaller ships due to a combination of fast-tracking guns and multiple neuts.

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i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach


All tier 2 BCs went down a slot.

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the changes to the cane seem to move away for the matar idea of going full dps and then run away really fast


The Minmatar lineup has never been about tons of damage.
Ginger Barbarella
#11 - 2013-03-11 23:07:43 UTC
Kiran wrote:
I have been going through some old ships and fits in efit. And I have found that my Hurricanes are lacking PG. I know they was ok before the expansion because I was flying about in one of them. Since the new expansion it now says I do not have enough PG to fit everything.

Nothing has changed about my character implants or skills other than training some LADAR, Reactive armour skill books.

Anyone else had the same problems?


Jesus, doesn't anyone read the dev blogs??!?!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#12 - 2013-03-12 10:26:27 UTC
There was nothing wrong with the Hurricane. That was kind of the point. Honestly, the monotony of Drake... Hurricane... Drake... Hurricane... was so boring.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Alara IonStorm
#13 - 2013-03-12 10:38:35 UTC
It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.

That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-03-12 12:27:11 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.

That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost.



That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane. That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2013-03-12 12:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Kagura Nikon wrote:

That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane.

It isn't harder to fit a shield cane then it was before with 425mm guns.

[Hurricane, Fits fine]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Kagura Nikon wrote:

That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.

Hurricane has more DPS and is more accurate while the Cyclone has more tank. Hurricane also still fulfills the Artillery role. Variety is a good thing. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

The only thing the Cane lost was a High Slot, the Same slot every Battlecruiser lost.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-03-12 12:55:23 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.

That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost.



That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane. That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.



I personally think the cyclone is pretty meh.. but thats just me.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-12 13:11:39 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane.

It isn't harder to fit a shield cane then it was before with 425mm guns.

[Hurricane, Fits fine]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Kagura Nikon wrote:

That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.

Hurricane has more DPS and is more accurate while the Cyclone has more tank. Hurricane also still fulfills the Artillery role. Variety is a good thing. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

The only thing the Cane lost was a High Slot, the Same slot every Battlecruiser lost.


You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm. It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact. My 4 previously fit arti canes, do not fit anymore (and they did have 2 empty high slots already).

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2013-03-12 13:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Kagura Nikon wrote:

You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm.

1 RCU II is enough, it doesn't sacrifice an extra low. Now you need AWU V to fit it but you can fit it at AWU IV with a dirt cheap 2% implant.

Kagura Nikon wrote:

It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact.

The old Hurricane was the clear superior choice along with the Drake, which Battlecruiser is it inferior too now?
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-12 14:20:02 UTC
Kiran wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029



Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.




Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me.

Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Lol


Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything.



Glad to see you either changed your mind and finally found how to fit them.

Thx to hurricane weapon bonus it already has about 8.5 effective turrets, loosing an utility high and the PG going with it's less of a problem, fit Arty on it and all you need is a T1 meta 4 RCU, how is this possibly close to a nerf?
If someone around thinks replacing a DCU II or a nano in lows for an RCU is a nerf, they really need brains check up.

Cane is FINE, this little adjustment was much needed along with other BC's buffing so having ships choices is a much better option than the no brainer ship everyone and his idiots fellas jumps in because it's the OMGFCKINPOW machine.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-03-12 14:29:38 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029



Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.




Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me.

Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Lol


Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything.



Glad to see you either changed your mind and finally found how to fit them.

Thx to hurricane weapon bonus it already has about 8.5 effective turrets, loosing an utility high and the PG going with it's less of a problem, fit Arty on it and all you need is a T1 meta 4 RCU, how is this possibly close to a nerf?
If someone around thinks replacing a DCU II or a nano in lows for an RCU is a nerf, they really need brains check up.

Cane is FINE, this little adjustment was much needed along with other BC's buffing so having ships choices is a much better option than the no brainer ship everyone and his idiots fellas jumps in because it's the OMGFCKINPOW machine.



just lOL? How in hell replacign a DC II for a RCU to fit is NOT a nerf? Are you simply unable to grasp basic concepts? that sentence of your makes your opinion and statements as valid as the Pope talking about sexual positions.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
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