EVE General Discussion

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Firstly. This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules.

tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post.

Secondly: Content can be expanded in numerous ways both in FIS and WIS anyone who claims either doesn't have a future is being narrow minded. An integrated approach will have the most wow factor and make for the most dynamic playing environment.

tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement

Thirdly: Eve Online is not surviving? You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft.

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Lastly: I came to this thread as an individual putting my mouth forward to say: "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development" Reading this thread however I find a lack of rationality and pragmatism, by a subset of posters who are hypocritical in nature.

tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive.

PS: this is not a thread naught. 12000 posts in 3 days is a thread naught. 500 posts in 5 days is not.

My replies in bold italics:

You can only have one right now.

Star Trek Online is pretty bad. CCP has proven time and again that they can create a universe that has some real mood in it. Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies, even The Old Republic are falling short on the basics of 'how to build a great starship game'. CCP knows how... so why not expand it? The groundwork is already done!

Besides, if they brought human avatars into EVE (not the single-room cage and overpriced monacles that were delivered), their customer base would expand greatly. More customers lead to more subscribers - everybody wins.

Why do people even play graphical games to start with. I know MUD's still exsist and they have no problem with lag or have graphics that get in the way of your gaming. What I am trying to say is that having a representation is a big deal and adds alot. One of the few good things about Blob warfare is the feeling you get when you see 500+ ships all gathered to gether getting ready for a fight. It feels powerfull to see that many people gathered together to accomplish this goal. Now imagine 500 avatars gathering together for an alliance meeting, that is alot different that watching 1 person type a question in a text box or listening to 1 voice over your headphones. (This is not about Lag or the technical aspects of it but rather things to look foward to. PS we know it is possible to do as I have seen avatars in other games that use less than a single ship rendering in EVE. CCP just decided to reinvent the wheel and it is up to them to find a way to make that wheel work with the tech we have now.)

Right now the avatar for agents is meaningless. They could have a single avatar for every single Agent and I doubt some people would even notice. Getting and turning in missions are pretty much completely ignored at this point. By creating an inneractive agent the feeling of missions would change alot. Here is a simple idea of how this could work. - You find an add asking for a ship captain. Walking over to the bartender you ask about the job and he tells you he might know something about it holding out his hand. You slip him and isk and he tells you to go over to the table in the corner and he wishes you luck. The shady fellow in the corner looks you over and then offers you a job of delievering 100 crates of small arms to a station 10 jumps away, he even offers a bonus if you can do it quickly... Now suddenly curiour missions are more exciting more part of a story. Epic story lines will actually feel epic, regular missions can feel more exciting and worth doing.

The last point was the fact that WiS is customizable and how that is important to alot of people. What I was trying to say was WiS is a step forward in the right direction and abbandoning WiS is a step backward and I don't believe companys do well when they are not moving foward.

My feeling is the the small team still working on WOD is quite probably working on things that will eventually be usable in Incarna, although I could be wrong on that count. At the present moment it is much more politically correct to simply refer to it as the "WOD team". This would be one benefit of the shared technology.

I'm sure they also have contractural obligations to White Wolf they need to fulfill.

Tinkering with the common engine in the background is fine for the moment, it serves both projects and doesn't start the rage ball bouncing.

I just want to make sure that the right people are working on the plan, and doing it now, even though that step should have happened a couple of years ago. It doesn't soak up a lot of resources, doesn't ruffle many feathers, and will serve everyone purposes (WIS or FIS fan) well sooner rather than later.

Also, WOD content is a far, far cry from Teenvamp Wonderland.

It's more like "I will sleep with you so I can drive your wife insane, rip out your best friends throat, make your children think you are responsible, and then leave you to die a slow death amid the shambles of your life" Wonderland.

Edit: Come to think of it, this would make a good template for future Incarna content.

it seems thats the way many ppl here wants to play...

Very sad to see WIS put aside.


I think the decisions at the top of CCP screwed their plans, not the actual things that were happening. They really failed to make the players happy due to rushed decisions and arrogant execution.

I get what your saying: Pretty things attract people. More realistic interaction is more stimulating. After all that though Flying 20 jumps to drop off a container of arms (10 each way) is still boring.

Regarding alliance meetings; I have been in numerous alliances of many sizes and only twice in 5 years have I been in an alliance meeting where everybody was in same system. While having a sea of avatars in a room would look pretty, it would add little to the game other than looking pretty.

My point is: Substance. What new exciting substance can WIS deliver?
If my Avatar was able to walk to a Planetary portal in a station, kit up in dust gear and then get transported onto a DUST planet to fight that FPS game - that would be exciting.
If my Avatar was able to enter a bar owned by a rival corp and rough the inhabitants up and get carted away by police to pay some fines - that would be exciting.
If my Avatar was able to linger in a dark alley way and mug a courier of his 10 containers of small arms - and then use said containers of small arms - that would be exciting.

The discussion of WIS in this thread is largely limited to the aesthetic and to things already functional in other software. WIS is a concept that needs implementation that adds to the substance of Eve Online.