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Hardware for PLEX

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Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-10 23:17:20 UTC
Last year at fanfest Nvidia and CCP announced to sell gpu for plex and later did that with a limited amount of 100 pieces as what CCP called a test run.


Almost a year later i would like to reinstate the idea, as I think this would still be a good thing, depending on the possible impacts on the PLEX market.

Since I did not hear anything on how the results where received on CCP's end whilst being hesistant to make assumptions I am interested to also hear about that first before really pushing the idea though.

Anyway, I do like the idea of buying my next rig using PLEX, because it would make it so much easier to justify a new one. Cool

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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-11 08:05:52 UTC
Hopefully no they don't ever do this again.

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2013-03-11 08:56:43 UTC
While I am not against the idea, I think many would be unhappy about the amount of isk it would cost to plex their accounts each month, with the increased deman for pled in game.

I think it would also need to be pointed out that botters would end up buying up plex in game and trading it for hardware, which they would later sell on eBay...

CCP merchandise though would probably work better.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-11 12:40:02 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
Hopefully no they don't ever do this again.


Why do you think it should not be done? If your concerns are about the PLEX market, we do share them. But I still ask myself if hardware for PLEX can be implemented without breaking the price for part of the players.

Also I am not talking about another one time offer or something, but about something permanent.

Hakan MacTrew wrote:
While I am not against the idea, I think many would be unhappy about the amount of isk it would cost to plex their accounts each month, with the increased deman for pled in game.

I think it would also need to be pointed out that botters would end up buying up plex in game and trading it for hardware, which they would later sell on eBay...

CCP merchandise though would probably work better.


Yeah, the PLEX price might get to be an issue, though I do not concurr with your botting argument, since botting - while it will be impossible to reach zero at any given time - is countered by a very good strategy from CCP's end and thus is a non issue in my eyes. It is just not relevant enough.

Even if I buy hardware using PLEX and thus ISK, the pricing strategy of the whole thing will make it irrelevant for CCP and their partners what exactly I will do with it... even if that means reselling it on ebay.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#5 - 2013-03-11 14:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Savira Terrant wrote:
TheSkeptic wrote:
Hopefully no they don't ever do this again.


Why do you think it should not be done? If your concerns are about the PLEX market, we do share them. But I still ask myself if hardware for PLEX can be implemented without breaking the price for part of the players.

Also I am not talking about another one time offer or something, but about something permanent.

Hakan MacTrew wrote:
While I am not against the idea, I think many would be unhappy about the amount of isk it would cost to plex their accounts each month, with the increased deman for pled in game.

I think it would also need to be pointed out that botters would end up buying up plex in game and trading it for hardware, which they would later sell on eBay...

CCP merchandise though would probably work better.


Yeah, the PLEX price might get to be an issue, though I do not concurr with your botting argument, since botting - while it will be impossible to reach zero at any given time - is countered by a very good strategy from CCP's end and thus is a non issue in my eyes. It is just not relevant enough.

Even if I buy hardware using PLEX and thus ISK, the pricing strategy of the whole thing will make it irrelevant for CCP and their partners what exactly I will do with it... even if that means reselling it on ebay.


while the idea could be really great for legit player who might not have the RL money to afford a recent hardware, i also think this mechanic could make RMT really easy.

botters would mass buy plex => use said plex to acquire hardware => sell hardware on ebay & co.

overall process is RMT.

plus, as said before, the impact on plex market would be a real problem, the current market is already in a so bad shape, this would just worsen it's state.

the currently over inflated prices are already a big issue to many players, some have already stopped their 2nd / 3rd account because they are not able to plex them, and some are even considering stopping eve.

price inflation is hurting the game very badly, is deterrent to pvp (in a year time span, you need to grind twice to afford the same ship), and doesn't appeal new players to stay.

so first thing first: start by fixing the inflation, then after that, we could start talking about plex for HW , maybe some solution could be found to avoid abuse by botter like a limitation by player (and not by account) / delivery address to 1 HW item / year or something

and about botting, it is not countered enought as of yet.

i know for a fact that several botters, who have been reported to ccp, are still active, and this s ongoing for monthes now (6+)

i myself reported several of them, for whom botting was really easy to spot, and yet, they are.....still botting
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#6 - 2013-03-11 15:03:14 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
Hopefully no they don't ever do this again.

agree. anything for plex is just foolish and ruins the economy.

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#7 - 2013-03-11 16:07:08 UTC
Savira Terrant wrote:
Yeah, the PLEX price might get to be an issue, though I do not concurr with your botting argument, since botting - while it will be impossible to reach zero at any given time - is countered by a very good strategy from CCP's end and thus is a non issue in my eyes. It is just not relevant enough.

Even if I buy hardware using PLEX and thus ISK, the pricing strategy of the whole thing will make it irrelevant for CCP and their partners what exactly I will do with it... even if that means reselling it on ebay.

This is a remarkably short sighted statement, as the previous post has pointed put.

Botting is still a serious issue. While its true that the inventory UI changes screwed up many bots and CCP have been making life very hard for many botters, they can't get them all. Many are still in business.

As for CCP not caring about what people would do with the hardware, they should. They would basically be providing an outlet for using in game currency for procuring RL goods. Not only can this open CCP up to serious tax issues, but it will also potentially harm CCPs income. If PLEX costs soar in game then people will retire accounts.
Do you remember the fuss that was made on the run up to the open tournament? Plex were over 700m each and players were going mental.

On top of that, please consider the following potential situation:

An alliance executor decides he doesn't want to pay his landlord any rent. He begins skimming a few billion isk for himself every week from the alliance treasury and starts getting graphics cards sent to his apartment and he sells them on eBay. He gets a taste for it and before you know it, his alliance is flat broke. He then starts awoxing other corps and alliances to get more hardware.

That's a slippery slope. The only reason I said CCP merchandise could maybe work is because it has a much smaller marketable customer base.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-03-11 16:24:13 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:

botters would mass buy plex => use said plex to acquire hardware => sell hardware on ebay & co.


The criminal element takes advantage of every part of commerce. Thankfully not everyone thinks like this, and stops all good things because of bad people, otherwise we'd still be living in caves. Blink

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Radax Glenn
Church of the Black Hand
#9 - 2013-03-11 17:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Radax Glenn
I don't like the idea.

Using PLEX, should be used sparingly for any out of game merchandise.
The exception being, Fanfest Tickets, or event tickets related to gaming.

IMHO

Radax...
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#10 - 2013-03-11 18:08:53 UTC
Generally I would say no to this type of idea, where real world items are exchanged for in game currency by effect.

I would make an exception for a PS3, however.

I think it should be more accessible by in game means, since it has in game potential as a console to play DUST on.

Sony might be willing to sign on to this, especially considering the PS4 rumors starting up.
(The information is all on the website for playstation already, just no specifics on release date yet that I saw)
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#11 - 2013-03-11 23:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
Sentamon wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

botters would mass buy plex => use said plex to acquire hardware => sell hardware on ebay & co.


The criminal element takes advantage of every part of commerce. Thankfully not everyone thinks like this, and stops all good things because of bad people, otherwise we'd still be living in caves. Blink

Your wrong, BECAUSE OF FALCON because of HEALTH AND SAFETY. (aka The Lowest Common Denominator.)

We are on our way back to the stone huts and Darwin would turn in his grave. We live in a society that rewards idiocy and explotation of the system. Good men go hungry and a$$holes rule the land 'because of their rights'.

The same principal applies to the reason why packets of peanuts have labels on them warning people that they 'May Contain Nuts'.

"Plex 4 Hardware" would be utterly abused at every opportunity, not by everyone, but by enough people to **** it up for everyone else.

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Inferno 1.0, FW update...
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CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#12 - 2013-03-12 02:34:22 UTC
As many others I don't think this is good idea, we have enough troubles with Eve's economy and inflation now.

Too many people could take advantage of this in bad way, affecting many players that use plex to stay in the game.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-12 08:42:15 UTC
Savira Terrant wrote:
TheSkeptic wrote:
Hopefully no they don't ever do this again.


Why do you think it should not be done?


As has been stated already... it just gives people an easy way to RMT that can't really be tracked, short of CCP going 'hmmm' when they purchase their 4th gfx card in 4 weeks. Introduce more items and you make it easier for them to hide it.

Anything that helps RMT is bad.

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