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Mahashou
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-10 17:08:54 UTC
Hello everyone

I hope this was not suggested before, here is my idea.

I am new to nullsec and did not do a lot of PVP until last month. I realize that what I really like after a successful fleet is to look at kill mails and see how our fleet did. On the other side when the fleet get whelp I still look and see how we were out numbered.

Now I have been playing a lot as a logistic ship lately and found it a bit sad that there was nothing that would remind how the logistic team did after a fight. All you could do is ask your fleet to "o7" if they were save from structure by logi and hope to see a lot of them :P On the other side if everybody was kill you had no idea if your team still did great or not. So this gave me an idea.

It would be really cool if there was something like Logi mail.
It could be created when someone receive X% of their armor or shield in repair. It could also post if the ship survived or not, cause a ship could get a lot of repair but still get kill.

Let's use 80% as an example. Someone with 10 000 shield points receives over 8000 points in repair would generate a logi mail with all pilots that repaired him on it.

Something cool that could also be done is to show the estimated amount of isk saved without necessary posting the fit of the saved pilot.

Don't get me wrong, logi pilot receive a lot of love from most fleets they join, but it would give a chance to logi pilot to also brag about awesome save they did.
WhiteUranium
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-11 14:23:07 UTC
I saw this idea on reddit too, and someone in the comment said

Quote:
The more I think about this the more I like the idea. As much as everyone hates people who take KBs too seriously, it's still very nice to have a record of your past accomplishments and logibros just don't get any love in that department currently.


I could not agree more :)
Agent Type
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-11 16:30:36 UTC
Definitely a great idea!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2013-03-11 16:39:15 UTC
I support this product and/or service. +1

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#5 - 2013-03-11 16:43:35 UTC
Try this on for size:

In any single engagement where enough damage is applied to a ship to destroy it, and that ship is kept alive due to logistic support: A save mail is generated.
It should show a listing of all logi pilots who contributed shield or armor reps to the target ship, as well as percentage of that ship's health restored.

For each time this occurs, a new save mail is created.
(100% damage would be reached, mail generated and counters resett for next event, repeat when 100% damage reached again)

This would also respect power transfers, as the saved vessel stops being self sustaining at the point it's capacitor would have ran out due to use or draining effects.

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Paraveil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-03-11 19:31:03 UTC
Quote:
In any single engagement where enough damage is applied to a ship to destroy it, and that ship is kept alive due to logistic support: A save mail is generated.
It should show a listing of all logi pilots who contributed shield or armor reps to the target ship, as well as percentage of that ship's health restored.

Here's the problem: a system like this would immediately begin generating tens of thousands of 'bogus' savemails generated via PvE content. Who hasn't seen a killboard of some hapless ratter who gets popped by a ganker after having been fighting Nullsec pirates for a few hours? Almost all ratting ships will repair many times their effective HP over time, since that's how ratting ships work.

You'd have to tailor this to remote reps received specifically, which might be doable, but I'm not sure how significant the technical hurdles are.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#7 - 2013-03-11 19:51:56 UTC
Paraveil wrote:
Quote:
In any single engagement where enough damage is applied to a ship to destroy it, and that ship is kept alive due to logistic support: A save mail is generated.
It should show a listing of all logi pilots who contributed shield or armor reps to the target ship, as well as percentage of that ship's health restored.

Here's the problem: a system like this would immediately begin generating tens of thousands of 'bogus' savemails generated via PvE content. Who hasn't seen a killboard of some hapless ratter who gets popped by a ganker after having been fighting Nullsec pirates for a few hours? Almost all ratting ships will repair many times their effective HP over time, since that's how ratting ships work.

You'd have to tailor this to remote reps received specifically, which might be doable, but I'm not sure how significant the technical hurdles are.

It does specify kept alive due to logistic support.

As to how would they know... Logi support is already pointed out as having in game consequences due to the flagging system already.
If you rep someone, and they have an active Limited Engagement because they fired on a suspect or criminally flagged player, you will be flagged as suspect for doing so.

So yes, they know when repping takes place in a PvP situation quite well.

And the damage taken is implied to be from PvP, in this context. Like on a kill mail, most of it could have been due to NPC activity, meaning the first save mail could be misleading the same way.

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JonJon Florencee Sinulf
Donte Hitner's Lumber Squad
#8 - 2013-03-12 04:44:16 UTC
+1 this is awesome, do want!
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#9 - 2013-03-12 08:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Not sure about "savemails" as this would generate literally thousands of mails for no particular reason, also they are not informative or useful in any way. If logis work well - you'll get a nice related after fight as reward.
But if CCP added logis in killmails (either in separate tab or @end of involved parties) with negative damage numbers (+hp) and changed "damage taken" field to "total damage taken" and "repaired amount" fields where "repair amount" field shows hp restored by both local and remote reps <- that would be much more informative and useful.

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Lavayar
Haidamaky
UA Fleets
#10 - 2013-03-12 08:12:37 UTC
Mahashou wrote:
Hello everyone

I hope this was not suggested before, here is my idea.

Unfortunately something like this was suggested many times.

But as a logistic pilot, I will support this every time it will be suggested.
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#11 - 2013-03-12 08:33:40 UTC
Simply add logis to killmails with negative damage...

It would add new category in killboards :)
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-12 09:47:59 UTC
I would like a covert ops metric, whereby any fleet I get a warp-in on gets me a "scout-mail", crediting me with every kill in the fleet.

My killboard stats must reflect my contribution, because how will anyone take me seriously unless I have a piece of paper that says I did what I did?

Hello, hello again.
Luteros
Souls of Steel
#13 - 2013-03-12 09:49:02 UTC
I totally support this product and / or service!
Morgan Porterfield Freeman
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-12 09:55:37 UTC
I'm Morgan Freeman.

***** Sprinkles.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#15 - 2013-03-12 11:21:04 UTC
This just helps perpetuate the myth that killboard stats are important and killmails are important. So no I guess.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Irya Boone
The Scope
#16 - 2013-03-12 11:24:11 UTC
I support this

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Mahashou
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-03-12 12:53:03 UTC
Kerdrak wrote:
Simply add logis to killmails with negative damage...

It would add new category in killboards :)


I thought about that solution, but what I did not like is that you would only appear on ship that logi did not save :P
If you save someone from structure you will never know it happened.
On the other side, this could be implemented really easily and would already be better than nothing :)

I really don't care about my stats, the only thing I like is to remember good fights when I look back at my killmail a month or even a year later.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#18 - 2013-03-12 13:38:48 UTC
Mahashou wrote:
Kerdrak wrote:
Simply add logis to killmails with negative damage...

It would add new category in killboards :)


I thought about that solution, but what I did not like is that you would only appear on ship that logi did not save :P
If you save someone from structure you will never know it happened.
On the other side, this could be implemented really easily and would already be better than nothing :)

I really don't care about my stats, the only thing I like is to remember good fights when I look back at my killmail a month or even a year later.

That same aspect occurred to me.

The only times you would appear is when the ship you were trying to save got destroyed.
A kill mail, to the perspective of a logi, is a fail mail.

The best pilots who succeeded would remain unknown.

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