Warfare & Tactics

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/xBOPOHx1/SOLO_PVP_3.avi

1st off let me say I love EvE, and although I get frustrated with it, I'm not quitting or anything like that.

So, basically I've come to the conclusion that I suck at PVP. I've never failed as hard at something that I've tried so hard to do. The thing is, I'm intelligent, I have decent skillpoints and I've been playing EvE for a while. I also am pretty good at PVP in a variety of other games, from RTS's like SC or C&C, to FPS games, to games like chess and checkers to games like League of Legends.

The above clip is the epitome of what I'd like to do in PVP. It totally blew me away. My guess is that the above clip is a conglomeration of the best fights that person had over a long period of time - the cream of the crop. I realize part of the time he flew cheaper ships, but some of the time he flew a Loki. In one of the vids, its like 3 or 4 on one in his buffer tank loki, he kills one person, goes down to like 30% armor, and then turns around to fight some more instead of warping off!


I basically just do not freaking understand this. I would give my left nut for a single T3 kill. If I blow up one person in a month, even if its like a badger II and I blow it up with a Drake, I celebrate! Its like, a huge ******* achievement. That Loki has to cost about 500m - I just *do not understand* how people can pvp with them! Unless they like, buy isk with RL money every month, but in my experience, 8/10 times you go solo roaming you get blown up, 1/10 you blow someone else up then die, and only 1/10 you blow someone else up and live.

I think one of my biggest problems is I'm just too huge of a wimp. The more and more I watch pvp videos, the more my perception of pvp changes. Basically, I used to attempt to go around in a pilgrim, and find people like in an industrial or T1 frigate, and try to kill them. I didn't want to be a carebear in this game, but I turned into one. If I'm trying to pvp, any time I see a T2 ship, like a sleipner, cynabal, vagabond, I crap my pants and try to escape. If I see friends of my target warping in, I crap myself and try to escape. This guy is able to engage multiple opponents and win!

I think another one of my problems is I just have not practiced enough. The fear of 'losing my ship', even when its like a cheap ass battlecruiser, is so great, going to low sec makes my stomach tie in a not and thoughts of instant death creep into my brain, unless I'm in a cloaky, which can't really kill any of the brawlers out there.

The way I'm thinking of solving this problem I have is maybe buying like 20 hurricanes or something like that and just going out there again and again, instead of building up the courage for a month, dieing in 30 seconds, and then not trying again for another month.

If you want to check out my god awful killboard, go ahead, my combat char is Redloc, you don't have to tell me I suck, I already have disclaimed that.




TL;DR
I've had a lot of success in other games but for some reason I can not even begin to feel successful in PVP in EvE. I think the main reason is I have the wrong perspective and I approach it with way too much caution, therefore limiting my learning by experience.

Actually now that I think about it, I did have one or two good fight wins with an arbitrator can flipping in high sec :P

I'm NO PVP expert, I'm just starting to make my way into-it too.
I'm sure I have even less $ than you do.

Having said the above...
Use smaller ships. They are cheaper and faster.
You don't loose much ISK when you get popped.
You have a much easier time choosing your engagements.
Your speed allows you to keep-range, assess the situation, and decide if you want to engage or not.

An Arty Thrasher, is the BOMB!
Go to a low-sec system, make a good safe-spot (the further from celestials and stuff, the harder you are to scan quickly).
From your safe-spot, warp to 100 on one of the belts, align to your safe imediately (so you can warp-out if things don't look good), assess the situation.
If you see something you can take, go-for-it!
If there's nobody there, hang-out for a few, a ganker might scan you-out and give-it-a-go.
If the ganker out-matches you, warp to your safe.

Don't underestimate the arogance/stupidity of some of these guys.
I had a guy in a rifter engage me the other night who had TONS more PVP experience than me.
An Arty Thrasher is pretty-much the perfect Rifter-killer.
I got him, and it was FUN!!!
That same night, one system over, I used the same technique.
I was sitting near the belt waiting (aligned to my safe), when a Comet jumped-in.
At first, I was gonna bail, but then figured "What the hell, why not?"
He was way faster, and closed the distance quickly, but I got a couple good hits on him while he was MWDing at me.
His drones started tearing me-up, and his Blasters were taking me-out fast, I thought I was done-for.
I was doing OK damage, but it looked-like I was gonna pop before him.
All of a sudden, he lost his point, stopped firing and was trying to warp-out.
I'm not sure what happened, I'm pretty sure he ran outa cap after his long MWD to get into range.
I was well into armor and his drones were still tearing me up, so I warped-out just in time.
It was a draw, and had I been in the middle of the belt, he probably woulda wasted me.

There's a lot of chance involved, but I think you reduce the odds of back-up jumping-in if you use small ships.
The fight is over faster than thier friends can get there.
If they start-out bringing friends, and you can't take them, as long as you're already aligned, you have a decent chance of getting-out.

Like I said, I'm still new (to PVP) myself, but have seen success using these techniqes. Take it or leave-it.

What fittings did you use for that Thrasher?

Bravo! It was refreshing to read responses that were constructive rather than flaming.

I would say small gang PVP. Destroyers are Great to bring to a fight. Especially if you Have them able to Align and Warp Fast.

My First time PVPing in a while on my Main i took a destroyer out fit to go fast. and do mid range damage and keep the target in place so my buds could dps down a little faster (would've been better for an interceptor but hey I'm a newb at PVP)

One - One i would be running or fighting to the death. 1 T3 and 2 T2s against our 3 T1's and 1 T2 I warped out fast. The rest of my Crew had 15Mins CD and i made it out without getting it. Those 15 mins i had fun just teasing them all around the low sec space we were in. ^_^ I'd see them warp in and I'd warp out. They barley were able to target me 1 time out of all the warping that I did. ^_^ It's all about being faster and being a good distraction if you want to survive in low sec. ^_^ You can also warp to moons it's harder for them to track you down. xD

Thanks for the replies!

One thing you must realise about Eve, is that it is a Rock Paper Scissors game.

It is much more Rock Paper Scissors than World of Warcraft, or any other PvP MMO on the market..

Much more.

Eve is also made so, that if you are PvE fit, then you are a sitting duck to any aggressors and nothing else. So they call out Carebear. But t is the game that makes carebears, it is the mechanics of the game that divides the players so profoundly. Pirates, privateers and carebears. It all comes down to this; nobody is an idiot.

So you make a PvP ship, and you make it perfectly clear to yourself: I am a scissor, or I am a paper. Know this, what are you.

Know exactly what you are, and you will agress the rocks and the papers and the scissors, and by golly, you will win.

And if you find PvE ship, it is easy to become the rock to his scissor, or the paper to his rock. He basically has no chance.

In many ways, Eve is not a good game: It is someone who had an idea of a good game. And then kept on getting new good ideas while never finishing the projects he started. So all of it is halfbaked.

From the PvP which is waaaayyy too onesided. And to the PvE where a game trying to be ultrarealistic says; Yeah ok, these NPC jams you. All the rules you have learned doesn't apply. Dudes... This is exactly not what people want. If a Gurista NPC is jamming you, it better be a Scorpion. If a Phantasm shows up in a mission, it better be a pulse high DPS menace. But it never is, it is totally random and ignoring game mechanics. The guys finished this part, and they were totally done for the night and they didn't pick up that work the next day. It's like highschool students accepting C's and not going for A's, because the teacher is stupid and doesn't get it. Except the teacher gets it and gives them the C that they deserve.

And it´s everywhere, there's not a single thing that they haven't introduced, which they didn't leave before it was finished in order to do something else.

CCP never understood what a good game is. Because Eve could have been a freakingly good game.

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1) He is a good pilot.
2) He's invested isk into his setup, 100MN AB Tengu, link alt, probably at least low-grade Crystals, etc.
3) In spite of 1 and 2, a lot of footage ends up on the cutting room floor. You're missing out on the 80% of the time he went in and made a mistake, got no kills because his opponents were competent, got blobbed, was hit by an unlucky jam, took obvious bait and died, etc.



Yeah, that's a good way of doing it. Most of the player skill comes from knowing typical setups and likely strategies, along with how to counter them in your what you are flying.

Nothing wrong with being cautious about losing ships.