EVE General Discussion

Of course they aren't. In fact, they can't.
Why would (and how could) they give people something they already have?

They do not really posses those skills. They are fictional, consisting out of bits and bytes, and are also the property of CCP if you want to be really precise. Only the decisions and the reasoning made by the players are their own and some of these are being invalidated.

…so that makes two reasons why they won't and why they can't give people MB V. So why did you think that they were?

…except that the decisions and reasoning made by the players haven't changed and will still have yielded the exact same results. So we're back to the same old question: why on earth should anyone be reimbursed when they haven't lost anything?

What he said really wasn't that difficult to understand, just try reading it again a few time over and maybe you will eventually get it.

Maybe you'd like to explain it to me then, because all he said was some vague reference to "CCP's decision to undo the burden for new players, that has been the Orca training, but not to undo it for older players" which doesn't actually make any sense.
But we both know you won't, because you're just being obtuse and probably don't understand yourself what he meant.

The way I read it would be that the burden of having to train a skill you do not want is undone. After the changes you don't have to train Mining Barges to train for the Orca, so it's a burden not levied on players training it after the changes, but still levied on the players who trained it before.
It was very ambiguous, so he might mean something else, but that was what I understood.

It's still not an argument for reimbursing the mining barge skills, so I'm not concerned.

"Look at how i try to crawl out of the mess i made regarding myself"

Fixed it.

…which of course is untrue. Their decisions have yielded, and will still yield, exactly the same result as they always did. They decided to train Barges V and Indy CS, and they got Barges V and Indy CS. The decisions is and will be as valid as it ever was. What did they lose? How is their decision in any way less valid?

Why did you make up the lie about CCP handing out Mining Barge V?

And why on earth should anyone be reimbursed when they haven't lost anything?

I don't follow this.

Learning skills were determined to be dumb, and fixed as follows:
1. remove said skills from the game
2. give everyone the attributes as if they trained everything to 5
3. return the SP to the players that trained the skills, because they were no longer needed.

Ethnic Relations was determined to be dumb (and removed) pretty recently. If you didn't have it, you got 100% non-native corpies for free. If you did have it, you got some other skill at the same level.

Now, CCP is saying the need for mining barge 5 on a capital mining support platform is dumb, and changing the prerequisites. I'm kinda ambivalent on the whole thing -- I mean, freighters need the [Racial] Industrial skill, so needing to have some "Mining" skills makes sense if you want to fly the "mining support platform".

For people who don't have an Orca because "WTF!? MINING SKILLS!! I'm never training those!!" they get a break.
For people who mine, it's a wash since some days you might be the orca pilot ... other days, you're in a hulk.

For people who don't mine, and are getting pissy about this -- why'd you choose to learn how to fly a mining support vessel?