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Frying Doom
#301 - 2013-03-11 08:00:56 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Excuse me ? We were busy here. go make a thread about your irrelevant issue.

My sincerest apologies.

I will get back to my irrelevant threads about Hi and Null sec Industries and the CSM

Again my apologies for disturbing your intense theological discussions on the meaning of life.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#302 - 2013-03-11 08:21:07 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Excuse me ? We were busy here. go make a thread about your irrelevant issue.

My sincerest apologies.

I will get back to my irrelevant threads about Hi and Null sec Industries and the CSM

Again my apologies for disturbing your intense theological discussions on the meaning of life.


The meaning of life is clearly a metaphysical question, not a theological one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#303 - 2013-03-11 08:26:37 UTC
It can either be a philosophical question or a theological question, depending upon if you're looking at it the right way or the wrong way. ;)

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#304 - 2013-03-11 08:41:43 UTC
Oh well. Just keep it offtopic, will ya ? :)
Frying Doom
#305 - 2013-03-11 08:43:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Excuse me ? We were busy here. go make a thread about your irrelevant issue.

My sincerest apologies.

I will get back to my irrelevant threads about Hi and Null sec Industries and the CSM

Again my apologies for disturbing your intense theological discussions on the meaning of life.


The meaning of life is clearly a metaphysical question, not a theological one.

Blasphemy

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#306 - 2013-03-11 08:47:25 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The meaning of life is clearly a metaphysical question, not a theological one.
Blasphemy


Heresy!

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Whitehound
#307 - 2013-03-11 08:58:31 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP is saying the same things we've been saying for this thread (and your identical one). We just don't have to be polite about it, because you're not our customers.


Done crying over a milk sale yet?

You are indeed only parroting CCP, but this was never in question. The question is how would you feel if some of your Gunnery skills would turn into Social or Trade skills? They still will be of use to some, just not for you likely.

Let me know what you truly think once you have stopped playing the idiotic CCP parrot.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Frying Doom
#308 - 2013-03-11 09:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP is saying the same things we've been saying for this thread (and your identical one). We just don't have to be polite about it, because you're not our customers.


Done crying over a milk sale yet?

You are indeed only parroting CCP, but this was never in question. The question is how would you feel if some of your Gunnery skills would turn into Social or Trade skills? They still will be of use to some, just not for you likely.

Let me know what you truly think once you have stopped playing the idiotic CCP parrot.

RubyPorto parroting CCP? I didn't know they were running for the CSM Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Whitehound
#309 - 2013-03-11 09:03:25 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
RubyPorto parroting CCP.

Was this not obvious?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#310 - 2013-03-11 09:10:40 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP is saying the same things we've been saying for this thread (and your identical one). We just don't have to be polite about it, because you're not our customers.


Done crying over a milk sale yet?

You are indeed only parroting CCP, but this was never in question. The question is how would you feel if some of your Gunnery skills would turn into Social or Trade skills? They still will be of use to some, just not for you likely.

Let me know what you truly think once you have stopped playing the idiotic CCP parrot.

How is that question relevant? Nothing like that is happening and has never happend. If you still insist on knowing, I'd be pretty angry about it, since it seems entirely unnecessary and pointless. If you just wanted to make the point, that the "skill is still useful for something so no refunds" -argument doesn't seem sufficient in every possible theoretical case, I agree with you. It is in the actual cases though, so i'm not sure what you hope to gain by pointing it out.
Whitehound
#311 - 2013-03-11 09:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP is saying the same things we've been saying for this thread (and your identical one). We just don't have to be polite about it, because you're not our customers.


Done crying over a milk sale yet?

You are indeed only parroting CCP, but this was never in question. The question is how would you feel if some of your Gunnery skills would turn into Social or Trade skills? They still will be of use to some, just not for you likely.

Let me know what you truly think once you have stopped playing the idiotic CCP parrot.

How is that question relevant? Nothing like that is happening and has never happend. If you still insist on knowing, I'd be pretty angry about it, since it seems entirely unnecessary and pointless. If you just wanted to make the point, that the "skill is still useful for something so no refunds" -argument doesn't seem sufficient in every possible theoretical case, I agree with you. It is in the actual cases though, so i'm not sure what you hope to gain by pointing it out.

It is in so far relevant as the usefulness of a skill is a judgement that should be made by the player and not by the dev, and the decision what skill to choose is a decision made by the players and not by devs.

CCP Ytterbium is simply out of line when he claims that the skill is still of use. It is for each player to decide and not for him. We are being dictated down by CCP what we shall find useful and what is not while at the same time they give us the freedom to choose our skills on our own. CCP Ytterbium acts irrational. His decision does not reflect the interests of the players, but his own interests.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#312 - 2013-03-11 09:30:26 UTC
Oh look it's this thread again.

Can we have a salvage whine thread next? It feels like it's been a while since we had one of those.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2013-03-11 09:30:55 UTC
I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#314 - 2013-03-11 09:36:55 UTC
Whitehound wrote:


CCP Ytterbium is simply out of line when he claims that the skill is still of use. It is for each player to decide and not for him.


No, it's a matter of objective fact.

Is there still a use for the skill in the game? Yes.

It takes more than a player saying "But I'll never use this skill, pinkie-swear!" to justify reimbursement.

You're not using it right now? I feel bad for you son, because that doesn't change the fact that you could.



Honestly, so many sore buttes from people who aren't losing a thing. They're going to be exactly as well off as they were before the change. So given that they've objectively lost nothing, what exactly are they being reimbursed for?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Whitehound
#315 - 2013-03-11 09:39:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way.

We, the players, are the "primary authoritative source" here. It is fine that when you cannot decide for yourself to allow others to make decisions for you, but it is just patronizing for those who can make their own decisions.

We players decide from the first day we started playing EVE what skills we find useful. I see no reason why this should be taken away from us now.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Whitehound
#316 - 2013-03-11 09:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Malcanis wrote:
It takes more than a player saying "But I'll never use this skill, pinkie-swear!" to justify reimbursement.

How many players does it take?

If you want to feel bad, then feel bad for being just another parrot. With an opinion as yours is every vote for you a vote for a fool.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#317 - 2013-03-11 09:41:54 UTC
When I started playing EVE, I got about 50 or 60 thousand SP worth of skills, no 800k starting skills, no stat respecs, no period of double SP gain, no cerebral accelerators. And I had to train Learning Skills

Later, other new players got these things handed to them, so by the logic that's being used by the complainers here, I'm due a million or two skillpoints of "reimbursement" to soothe my hurt feelings over the glaring injustice of people who started playing later than me having an easier start.

I'm going to yell ITS NOT FAIR ITS NOT FAIR ITS NOT FAIR over and over and over and over until I get what I want, and if that fails I'm going to unsubscribe my 43 accounts and I'm going to tell everyone that you're big meanie poopie heads and I'm going to hold my breath until I die and it will be your fault so that is murder and you'll go to prison and then you'll be sorry!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#318 - 2013-03-11 09:43:33 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It takes more than a player saying "But I'll never use this skill, pinkie-swear!" to justify reimbursement.

How many players does it take?

If you want to feel bad, then feel bad for being just another parrot.


If a million people claim that 2+2=5 and a trained parrot has been taught to say 2+2=4, then a million people aren't right because there's a million of them, they're just dumber than a trained parrot.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Whitehound
#319 - 2013-03-11 09:44:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
When I started playing EVE, ...

And yet you managed to somehow decide for yourself, and skill after skill, what you want to train as next.

It is quite remarkable that after all this time you see no value in this.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#320 - 2013-03-11 09:45:43 UTC
Better to be a parrot than a whining baby.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016