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The Cleansing of Dal
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Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#41 - 2013-01-10 20:23:59 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Please do not see any offense in my question, I must admit that me, too, am genuinely a bit curious as to your defection to PIE Inc.

Defection?


Yes, why ?


Defection?
If, Empress forbid, Aldrith would join the TLF we'd be talking about a defection.
His rejoining of the Praetorians is hardly that!
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#42 - 2013-01-10 20:25:50 UTC
Again, for the record, Grand Master Ger'Ante Otheiran closed the Knighthood to capsuleers for the time being. He literally told me to pack my bags and do something else until he was ready to muck about with capsuleers again. I did not defect, I got laid off, to put it bluntly.

Now everyone, please stop looking at me like I've abandonded something.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-01-10 21:16:00 UTC
The only thing you look like to have abandonned are your standards.

Or are you trying to make them change for the better ?

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Please do not see any offense in my question, I must admit that me, too, am genuinely a bit curious as to your defection to PIE Inc.

Defection?


Yes, why ?


It would be technically correct, but really weird, to say that Aldrith Shutaq defected from the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown to PIE Inc, currently run by his wife.


Even when both ideologies are so diametrically opposed ?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#44 - 2013-01-10 21:18:53 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
The only thing you look like to have abandonned are your standards.

Or are you trying to make them change for the better ?

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Please do not see any offense in my question, I must admit that me, too, am genuinely a bit curious as to your defection to PIE Inc.

Defection?


Yes, why ?


It would be technically correct, but really weird, to say that Aldrith Shutaq defected from the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown to PIE Inc, currently run by his wife.


Even when both ideologies are so diametrically opposed ?


Yeah? Defection usually indicates a switch to an entirely different entity, usually an ACTUALLY opposing one. To move from a liberalish organization (and that is debatable, considering the last Grandmaster) to a conservative one is not actually that big a change.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-01-10 22:15:04 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Yeah? Defection usually indicates a switch to an entirely different entity, usually an ACTUALLY opposing one. To move from a liberalish organization (and that is debatable, considering the last Grandmaster) to a conservative one is not actually that big a change.


It depends for who.

Definitions may vary depending on the individual.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#46 - 2013-01-10 23:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitara Newelle
Lyn Farel wrote:
The only thing you look like to have abandonned are your standards.

Or are you trying to make them change for the better ?


Yes, I believe his standards have changed for the better since returning to the Praetoria.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#47 - 2013-01-11 12:25:59 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Yeah? Defection usually indicates a switch to an entirely different entity, usually an ACTUALLY opposing one. To move from a liberalish organization (and that is debatable, considering the last Grandmaster) to a conservative one is not actually that big a change.


It depends for who.

Definitions may vary depending on the individual.


No, I'm pretty sure that there is a general consensus on what a defection is. A lay off followed by a re-application at a similarly aligned former employer is not it.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-01-11 19:44:07 UTC
Lucius Vindictus wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Yeah? Defection usually indicates a switch to an entirely different entity, usually an ACTUALLY opposing one. To move from a liberalish organization (and that is debatable, considering the last Grandmaster) to a conservative one is not actually that big a change.


It depends for who.

Definitions may vary depending on the individual.


No, I'm pretty sure that there is a general consensus on what a defection is. A lay off followed by a re-application at a similarly aligned former employer is not it.


Emphasis is mine, and here lies the misunderstanding and differences of appreciation.

However I can understand that "defection" was probably a strong choice of word.
Joantir Sintar
Sebiestor Quartermasters
Circle of Vheroka
#49 - 2013-03-08 09:28:39 UTC
At 8.15 EVE time this morning forces of the Minmatar Militia successfully freed the system of Dal from Amarrian oppression.

All Amarrian religious paraphernalia will be removed as soon as possible, All slaver hounds will be shot (any spiced wine left behind will be confiscated) I don't like long limb roes so they will be jettisoned in to space.

Rusty look paint spraying teams will be deployed later today to get everything back to the way it was.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-03-08 10:37:23 UTC
Joantir Sintar wrote:
At 8.15 EVE time this morning forces of the Minmatar Militia successfully freed the system of Dal from Amarrian oppression.

All Amarrian religious paraphernalia will be removed as soon as possible, All slaver hounds will be shot (any spiced wine left behind will be confiscated) I don't like long limb roes so they will be jettisoned in to space.

Rusty look paint spraying teams will be deployed later today to get everything back to the way it was.

Your men will have little work to do since, as I said before, this entire announcement was an exercise in vanity and nothing more. The supposed "cleansing teams" that Merdaneth was bleating about will never have left his hangar.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#51 - 2013-03-11 06:19:42 UTC
Joantir Sintar wrote:
At 8.15 EVE time this morning forces of the Minmatar Militia successfully freed the system of Dal from Amarrian oppression.


At 8.16 EVE time Minmatar oppression officially begins.

Joantir Sintar wrote:
All Amarrian religious paraphernalia will be removed as soon as possible, All slaver hounds will be shot (any spiced wine left behind will be confiscated) I don't like long limb roes so they will be jettisoned in to space.


Religious suppression... check.
Animal cruelty... check.
Drunken debauchery... check.
Waste of food... check.

And this is just the stuff that is allowed to make the news.

The real shame is that the Empire didn't just evacuate & relocate the populace before this happened, because it was inevitable that it would happen, just as it will be inevitable that it will get taken back, and again and again over and over effectively forever - or until these militia groups simply grow bored with it all.

That anyone still lives in these militia warfare zones should be an embarrassment to all nations. I say move every last civilian out and let them fight over barren, empty worlds. For all difference it makes to them they'll never notice the difference.


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