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WARNING: Buddy program reward = abuse of "hours for PLEX"
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Grapy
#21 - 2013-03-10 11:47:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Grapy
Stray Bullets wrote:
discussing GMs


There is nothing to discuss about GMs: they consider 30 days from buddy rewards as exploit of "hours for PLEX". Period. I'm not discussing GMs - I'm warning others.

And if providing 26 paying clients to a company is considered a loophole, abuse and exploit - well, I agree to not to provide them clients anymore.

P.S. "Hours for PLEX" wasn't removed - just GMs refuse to re-activate it because I used 30 days from buddy rewards = abuse of "hours for PLEX".
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-10 19:40:25 UTC
Have you tried Escalating the Petition to a senior GM?
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#23 - 2013-03-10 21:24:28 UTC
Grapy wrote:


P.S. "Hours for PLEX" wasn't removed - just GMs refuse to re-activate it because I used 30 days from buddy rewards = abuse of "hours for PLEX".


What do you need the 'Hours for PLEX' reactivating for if you have subscribed with your 30 day buddy reward?

'Abuse' seems to suggest you have used the hours for PLEX offer alot without then subscribing.

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Zhade Lezte
#24 - 2013-03-10 21:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
The relevant question to this is "Could you have have sent an invite and gotten a buddy reward without having used hours for plex?" Or rather "Do you need an active account to either redeem or send a buddy invite?"

If you don't need an active account, you abused the system to get a free four hours on top of your regular sub. If you do, it really should be in CCP's interest to allow this since they are enabling you to give them money, which is the whole point of hours for plex.
Target Is
Harvesters Of Massive Ores
#25 - 2013-03-11 00:11:01 UTC
Working as intended.
Safdrof Uta
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-03-11 04:48:36 UTC
Let me get this right.
You activated via hours for plex to send a buddy invite to yourself?

Which you then accepted and subscribed the buddy account to give yourself 30 days on your first account and another 30 Days on buddy account?

Ie exploiting 2 systems to give yourself 51 days and 4 hours of free game time?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2013-03-11 05:49:14 UTC
Fatbear wrote:
I've subbed accounts via regular subscriptions after turning on hours for plex over the years, without issue.


Yes but in both these cases it involved a player giving CCP money. They like that.

Free buddy stuff is free. CCP has a different opinion on the idea of "free."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-03-11 05:50:17 UTC
Why did you even use hours for plex in the first place? Seems completely unnecessary in this case.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Othran
Route One
#29 - 2013-03-11 11:34:53 UTC
I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG.

In fact you may as well leave one PLEX reverse redeemed all the time - its not as if its hard to redeem it in-game if its needed for iskies mmm?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-03-11 11:37:52 UTC
Othran wrote:
I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG.

Because most people seem to have actually understood the proper use of Hours for PLEX.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Othran
Route One
#31 - 2013-03-11 11:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Othran wrote:
I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG.

Because most people seem to have actually understood the proper use of Hours for PLEX.


Makes no sense to me - you have the in-game resources to buy a PLEX then you may as well buy it ingame/reverse redeem it to account management before going AFG.

Makes no odds whether you return or not as its imaginary icelandic internet spaceship money.

Anyway there's a simple solution for the OP who now has "damaged" accounts.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-03-11 11:45:35 UTC
Othran wrote:
Makes no sense to me - you have the in-game resources to buy a PLEX then you may as well buy it ingame/reverse redeem it to account management before going AFG.

I don't see how that makes any difference.
I've used Hours for PLEX several times. I still have the option because I've always used it the way it's supposed to be used.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Grapy
#33 - 2013-03-14 13:17:34 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Have you tried Escalating the Petition to a senior GM?


No - closed petition to prevent "support" system abuse accusation. Now I don't believe this is actual support: made 2 petitions in 3 years (both about buddy program) - damages caused or not prevented in both cases. Police works like that.

Thanks for advices! Injecting PLEXes into redeeming system do the trick.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-03-14 14:14:24 UTC
Let's see if I understand correctly.

1- Activated hours for PLEX
2- Invite buddy with the hours for PLEX activated account
3- Buddy program gave you a free PLEX for activating
4- Used that PLEX to fulfill the hours for PLEX requirement?

•To receive your reward of an additional 30 days’ game time, you will need to have an active, paying EVE Online account after your friend purchases the EVE Online Buddy subscription. CCP may offer the reward to you in the form of 30 days’ additional game time, delivery of one PLEX to your account (which may be redeemed for 30 days’ game time), or any similar method.

I think thats were it went down...
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#35 - 2013-06-01 10:10:35 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Let's see if I understand correctly.

1- Activated hours for PLEX
2- Invite buddy with the hours for PLEX activated account
3- Buddy program gave you a free PLEX for activating
4- Used that PLEX to fulfill the hours for PLEX requirement?

•To receive your reward of an additional 30 days’ game time, you will need to have an active, paying EVE Online account after your friend purchases the EVE Online Buddy subscription. CCP may offer the reward to you in the form of 30 days’ additional game time, delivery of one PLEX to your account (which may be redeemed for 30 days’ game time), or any similar method.

I think thats were it went down...


1.5 you have to buy plex from market, activate account
4. sell plex to market.

then no one can say you abused anything.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#36 - 2013-06-01 10:38:21 UTC
This whole feature is good example how CCP developers have not done their job well and players are victims of bad planning.

Why it is even allowed to claim game time or plex from buddy system if account is activated with hours for plex, if is not allowed by rules.

Functionality is so different from buddy program rules that no wonder people accidentally abuse system.

Also CCP changed buddy programm without informing players. Before you got automatically plex to redeem system or one month game time added, now you have to visit account management to claim it, Why they even made it so and why they did not inform players.

Bad planning, bad feature, and now players are abusing something accidentally.

GOOD JOB CCP, keep going good work.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2013-06-01 10:47:26 UTC
Why would anyone want the 30 Days Game Time from a Buddy offer and not the Plex?

That makes no sense.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-06-01 11:15:22 UTC
But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated... What?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2013-06-01 11:17:00 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated... What?


Yup.

I think this goes beyond suspected "abuse" and more into the "I wanted to active my third account for some smart-bombing fun for four hours" category.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Teh Nurffe
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#40 - 2013-06-01 23:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Teh Nurffe
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why would anyone want the 30 Days Game Time from a Buddy offer and not the Plex?

That makes no sense.


Because plex-for-plex is not possible anymore. See devblog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73471

TigerXtrm wrote:
But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated... What?


Seriously don't post if you have no idea what you are posting

When you have not played for year you may easily forget if you have or don't have plex on your account. If you realise that you don't have pelx and you don't have enough isk, you will buy gametime with euros.. Easy as that

Also if you happen to have 30 day gametime as reward in buddy program and if you run out of game time accidentally you CAN'T claim your buddy reward if your account is marked as "inactive". Only way to reactivate your account if you don't happen to have plex in redeem is to a) buy gametime with euros b) activate account with "plex for hours" and after that claim your buddy reward (gametime). However option B is seen as exploit which people don't understand at all

Previously gametime from buddy reward was added automatically to your account which is not the case anymore thus many people run out of gametime unintentionally and when people look for the gametime they get brilliant idea that "hey, I can use hours for plex to activate my account and then I can claim my gametime" and CCP states this is abuse and no one is aware of this

Basically whole system is broken and now ccp is denying "hours for plex" for people who have been playing for years saying "you have abused hours for plex, pay with euros thxbye" which is simply pure madness (and blackmailing)
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