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Request: fix isk/combat balance outside of highsec
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#1 - 2013-03-11 00:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Machiavelli's Nemesis
It seems to me that all the true combat happens in highsec, it's so dangerous and mysterious and stuff.

In lowsec I can't fight anyone because I'm literally the only person who doesn't have a booster alt. CCP should remove booster alts so I can compete fairly. And why does no one honour 1v1s any more? Lowsec was always the land of Bushido wonderfullness. Just because I have no friends and no one wants to fly with me doesn't mean that other people with social skills should be allowed to bring in support when I start shooting them. CCP should make dishonouring a 1v1 in lowsec an exploit and ban people!

When I'm out ratting in nullsec in my battleship, it's obvious i'm just doing the universe a favour, it's totally out of order for people to attack me, or sit in local trying to threaten my safety. If I wanted mortal danger in my economic activities I would have stayed in highsec. CCP should let us scan down cloaked ships and deactivate PvP in asteroid belts so I can rat more safely.

The risks of being outside highsec are too high for the rewards, we need to fix this ASAP, thanks :))
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#2 - 2013-03-11 00:36:38 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:


The risks of being outside highsec are too high for the rewards, we need to fix this ASAP, thanks :))


The risks aren't too high. It's the rewards in high sec that are too high.

The whole risk v reward is back asswards. Higher Sec should equal lower rewards etc

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#3 - 2013-03-11 00:40:18 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:


The risks of being outside highsec are too high for the rewards, we need to fix this ASAP, thanks :))


The risks aren't too high. It's the rewards in high sec that are too high.

The whole risk v reward is back asswards. Higher Sec should equal lower rewards etc



That's not true either. The problem is that the risk in low and null sec is absolute. And the rewards cannot make up for it.


As for the OP. There's no such thing as 1vs1 pvp in Eve. Boosters are defeated by bringing friends. Chances are his friends are on the way regardless.

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Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#4 - 2013-03-11 02:08:46 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:


That's not true either. The problem is that the risk in low and null sec is absolute. And the rewards cannot make up for it.


As for the OP. There's no such thing as 1vs1 pvp in Eve. Boosters are defeated by bringing friends. Chances are his friends are on the way regardless.


What absolute risk?! There is no such thing in eve as absolute risk. Sure you lose a ship and some fittings/loot but you pod out or wake up in a clone. If your character perma died then the risk would be absolute.

Ok so you lose your last ship and have no isk to replace it. Awwww too bad. Go grab a free ship and shoot a couple of belt rats or run a lvl 1 mission. Use that money to buy a T1 combat frig/exploration frig whatever then you are back in business.

What you have stated is the root cause of the stagnation from the risk averse side of eve that will eventually ruin it if nothing done about it.

And what has 1v1 or otherwise got to do with the Risk v reward structure in the OP....I think you'll find it was sarcasm to point out a broken risk v reward situation and common argument from the risk averse player base.

Note: I use the term risk averse player instead of carebear. I feel this term is more appropriate than the often use carebear.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#5 - 2013-03-11 02:59:29 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It seems to me that all the true combat happens in highsec, it's so dangerous and mysterious and stuff.

In lowsec I can't fight anyone because I'm literally the only person who doesn't have a booster alt. CCP should remove booster alts so I can compete fairly. And why does no one honour 1v1s any more? Lowsec was always the land of Bushido wonderfullness. Just because I have no friends and no one wants to fly with me doesn't mean that other people with social skills should be allowed to bring in support when I start shooting them. CCP should make dishonouring a 1v1 in lowsec an exploit and ban people!

When I'm out ratting in nullsec in my battleship, it's obvious i'm just doing the universe a favour, it's totally out of order for people to attack me, or sit in local trying to threaten my safety. If I wanted mortal danger in my economic activities I would have stayed in highsec. CCP should let us scan down cloaked ships and deactivate PvP in asteroid belts so I can rat more safely.

The risks of being outside highsec are too high for the rewards, we need to fix this ASAP, thanks :))



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JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#6 - 2013-03-11 03:30:48 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It seems to me that all the true combat happens in highsec, it's so dangerous and mysterious and stuff.

In lowsec I can't fight anyone because I'm literally the only person who doesn't have a booster alt. CCP should...

CCP should...

CCP...




That's about as far as I got. Good try, though.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2013-03-11 05:08:24 UTC
question is why you do not have booster alt?

after ccp nerfs booster alts you start to complain that ccp should remove monthly fee because you do not want to pay it.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#8 - 2013-03-11 22:06:38 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis' post hits W&T wrecking for 75001 damage.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-11 23:15:08 UTC
I am Kraiklyn Asatru and I support the OP.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-11 23:41:48 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It seems to me that all the true combat happens in highsec

i stopped reading right here...

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Edah Puss
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-12 01:47:58 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
CCP should *** so I can ***


Sorry dude, but I LOL'ed.

Ill jump on the bandwagon:

CCP should give Edah Puss 143 PLEXES so I can enjoy playing EvE.

Seriously, CCP *should*, in fact, I DEMAND it.

If they dont, im going to be very mad at CCP, and if that doesnt sway them, ill throw a temper tantrum!

Im warning you, I *will* throw a temper tantrum. Im serious. Really!

MY OPINION MATTERS!!
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#12 - 2013-03-12 01:54:07 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It seems to me that all the true combat happens in highsec

i stopped reading right here...


Glad to see I wasn't the only one. Didn't even notice he ran the "CCP should do xyz" train.

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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2013-03-12 09:18:05 UTC
Hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of angling times sir!

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Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#14 - 2013-03-12 09:50:35 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:


The risks of being outside highsec are too high for the rewards, we need to fix this ASAP, thanks :))


The risks aren't too high. It's the rewards in high sec that are too high.

The whole risk v reward is back asswards. Higher Sec should equal lower rewards etc


Risk is probability of loss multiplied by the cost of the loss
Reward is - in general - probability of drop/liquid isk multiplied by the cost of the drop

Now the rewards are "great" in hi sec when you fly 2 bil isk loot pinjata, which, in turn, increases the probability of loss and as such the risk. If you fly just T2 fitted Raven your rewards are most certainly not that stellar.

Whats out of the line in here is ofc low sec, with its relatively high probability of loss and relatively crappy rewards when compared against lower risk and greater reward null sec. Ofc it should be mentioned in here as well that the "security" of null sec is not free. It's secure bcos of the player effort living in that area. People have tried to establish similarly secure enviroment in some low sec areas in the past but have failed roughly for the same reasons why NPC null sec is not as secure as sov holding alliance base.

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