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2xRigor I+TP or 2xTP

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Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#1 - 2011-10-28 15:50:24 UTC
Hi ho.
Another question.

I'm considering one of the next setups, one with 2 rigors, and one with two TPs.
**Will use CNR in a couple of weeks once I get some extra skills to be cap stable without cap booster):

I'm considering having two options on my SNI:
Quote:

[Scorpion Navy Issue, SNI Rigor]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gist B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Gist B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5



Or this:

Quote:

[Scorpion Navy Issue, SNI TP ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gist B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Gist B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Cap Recharger II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


On both options I can drop one TP for a amplifier and get a massive tank (881 against guristas or 495 omni).

So which is better?
(And yeah, I know CNR is better, but I want to get more skills to be cap stable).
On the second option, I won't need to also change my current rigs, but using TP is a bit of a hassle sometimes (waiting for cycle to finish).

Cheers.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-28 19:23:16 UTC
Scorpion Navy Issue]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
DC II

(my personal feeling is that you should omni tank with passive pith to fill holes and use invulns, but it's just a matter of opinion)
Pith B-Type Thermal (passive, you want at least lvl4 in this skill)
Pith B-Type Kin (passive, just like above)
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

(Again I'd use T2 launcher version, +5 implant dmg +5 implant rof +5 implant reduction radius explosion, because your fit is a call for gank)
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Your original fit is quite good imho but it's a call for gank for a small overall dps difference (you will always overkill stuff anyway) remember that omnitank will not save you better from some gank but their work to achieve this will be harder.

Just an opinion, some more experienced players with this kind of ship will advice you better than me for sure.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-10-28 20:23:51 UTC
w/ 3 Rigors and 3 TP's you can effectively use Fury missiles on Cruisers and Above last time I checked myself
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!  If You Like My Sig, Like Me!   Remember EVE is EVErything!
Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#4 - 2011-10-28 20:51:00 UTC
Thanks for the advice.

I'm using CN weapons because I don't have the skill for T2 yet, and I'm still a bit away from cybernetic 5 as well P.

And 1-Up Mushroom, won't 3xTPs be too costly regarding slots wise?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2011-10-28 21:05:13 UTC
If you really want a fully analyzed answer, check here.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-28 21:10:46 UTC
Lemok Sonji wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

I'm using CN weapons because I don't have the skill for T2 yet, and I'm still a bit away from cybernetic 5 as well P.

And 1-Up Mushroom, won't 3xTPs be too costly regarding slots wise?


If you can't build a L4 capable tank with 5 mids I feel sorry for you... but I'll help...

[Scorpion Navy Issue, ]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Perfectly acceptable tank against Guristas, if you feel unsafe you can drop a TP for another Hard/Amp vs. Sansha
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!  If You Like My Sig, Like Me!   Remember EVE is EVErything!
Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#7 - 2011-10-28 21:31:08 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:

If you can't build a L4 capable tank with 5 mids I feel sorry for you... but I'll help...


Feel sorry for me for what?
Because every char is born with 100% cap stable and all skills at L5 instantly?

This char is barely a month and a bit old and I'm still pretty new to the game.
So no need to be snappy or "I feel sorry for you". This is what the forums are, to help to those who don't know.


Thanks for the help anyway. I was considering something similar, but I don't feel that comfortable at my current skill setup.
I won't have enough capacitors to handle the shield for long in any "oh crap" moment.
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-28 21:42:10 UTC
Lemok Sonji wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:

If you can't build a L4 capable tank with 5 mids I feel sorry for you... but I'll help...


Feel sorry for me for what?
Because every char is born with 100% cap stable and all skills at L5 instantly?

This char is barely a month and a bit old and I'm still pretty new to the game.
So no need to be snappy or "I feel sorry for you". This is what the forums are, to help to those who don't know.


Thanks for the help anyway. I was considering something similar, but I don't feel that comfortable at my current skill setup.
I won't have enough capacitors to handle the shield for long in any "oh crap" moment.


Triple rigor rigs. Skip the cap stability notion. Arbalest Cruise launchers in the highs. Forget faction or T2 ammo. Small drones in the dronebay to kill frigs, you can hit and kill cruiser in 2 shots with a triple rigor setup. Dont faction fit a boat you can barely fly. Don't buy a faction boat unless you can fly the non-faction variant safely.

With the fits you have posted, and your newness to the game, and lack of character skills you are setting yourself up for an impressive lossmail.

You should be able to shoot out to over 100KM with cruises with half-way decent missile support skills. In theory, and following triggers and not pulling the entire room you should only ever need to PULSE the shield booster for a cycle or 2 to stay topped off. Triple TPs is a waste on an unbonused ship, and only really helps when flying a torp boat. If you are tank concerned those slots are better used for survivability over squeezing out a little extra DPS.

I don't know where this sudden desired to put 2bil in fittings on ships is coming from, but you can complete every level 4 mission in the game with a simple T2 fitting.

Faction fitting mission boats invites suicide gankers. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. Try doing some level 4's in a T2 fit REGULAR raven for a few months. Have fun.


Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#9 - 2011-10-28 22:04:24 UTC
Thanks for the advice.

From the earlier spreadsheet link, and what you say, I understand what using 3 rigor rigs will be enough at least for L4s, and add just 1 TP when its a cruiser heavy mission?
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-10-28 22:41:29 UTC
Lemok Sonji wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:

If you can't build a L4 capable tank with 5 mids I feel sorry for you... but I'll help...


Feel sorry for me for what?
Because every char is born with 100% cap stable and all skills at L5 instantly?

This char is barely a month and a bit old and I'm still pretty new to the game.
So no need to be snappy or "I feel sorry for you". This is what the forums are, to help to those who don't know.


Thanks for the help anyway. I was considering something similar, but I don't feel that comfortable at my current skill setup.
I won't have enough capacitors to handle the shield for long in any "oh crap" moment.


lol bro chill, I don't expected you to have perfect cap skills and perfect shield skills. I was expecting you were you using EFT or some other type to make those fits, so I would think you'd want to build a good fit you can aim for to pwn some missions. If your looking for a fit that matches your skills, post them and start by making fits that you can actually fly.

Plus when you ask for fits on the forums people naturally give you fits that are the (usually) very good for the ship. Having L5 skills base when posting stats for ship fits is a good even base for eveyone and allows them to change the fit according to their skills. It's just a layout, plus even without max skills you should be able to make a tank with just 5 slots, generally 4 hards and a repper is basic even for noobs
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!  If You Like My Sig, Like Me!   Remember EVE is EVErything!
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-28 23:13:35 UTC
Lemok Sonji wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

From the earlier spreadsheet link, and what you say, I understand what using 3 rigor rigs will be enough at least for L4s, and add just 1 TP when its a cruiser heavy mission?


You can if you want to, but like I said before using TPs in an unbonused ship for PvE is kinda silly. 2 volleying cruisers isn't that big of a time waste, and the cycle time on cruise launchers is fairly fast. Just priority shoot your targets and you will be OK. I usually went for BCs first, then cruisers, then BS. Let the frigs come within your drone control range and just let your drones take care of them. Should serve you well for a while.
Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#12 - 2011-10-28 23:35:38 UTC
Lord Calus wrote:
Lemok Sonji wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

From the earlier spreadsheet link, and what you say, I understand what using 3 rigor rigs will be enough at least for L4s, and add just 1 TP when its a cruiser heavy mission?


You can if you want to, but like I said before using TPs in an unbonused ship for PvE is kinda silly. 2 volleying cruisers isn't that big of a time waste, and the cycle time on cruise launchers is fairly fast. Just priority shoot your targets and you will be OK. I usually went for BCs first, then cruisers, then BS. Let the frigs come within your drone control range and just let your drones take care of them. Should serve you well for a while.


Cheers thanks.

I will try without TPs and use 3xrigors to start with.
That should also allow me to keep omni tank without problems.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2011-10-29 01:18:28 UTC
This is my current fit. I use CN launchers as they have a higher rate of fire with T1 & faction missiles.

With my skills: Caldari Navy or T1 Wrath Cruise Missile: 153.6m @ 119 m/s

so I can hit cruisers for nearly full damage without a target painter, and let my drones take care of the frigates.


[Raven Navy Issue, Current]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster

Small Tractor Beam I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-29 12:50:51 UTC
Also: has soon has you finish your next skill, just think seriously about train your engineering/shield skills up to 5 ASAP, follow the Certificates prerequisites if you're not sure how or what

Once you have those extremely important certificates you will have a lot more capacitor, cap recharge rate, pg, use less cpu/pg/cap when activating mods etc etc.

Yes Eve is a long road but the sooner you start on the right way the sooner you have choices waiting you to profit from them.

But I'm sure you will get it, never think "...25D skill omg", think "youhouuu another 25D skill about to go away" or better "yeeeeeehaaaaa another ******* 5 on my collection"
Lemok Sonji
Lethal Devotion
Escalation Theory
#15 - 2011-10-29 16:33:42 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Also: has soon has you finish your next skill, just think seriously about train your engineering/shield skills up to 5 ASAP, follow the Certificates prerequisites if you're not sure how or what

Once you have those extremely important certificates you will have a lot more capacitor, cap recharge rate, pg, use less cpu/pg/cap when activating mods etc etc.

Yes Eve is a long road but the sooner you start on the right way the sooner you have choices waiting you to profit from them.

But I'm sure you will get it, never think "...25D skill omg", think "youhouuu another 25D skill about to go away" or better "yeeeeeehaaaaa another ******* 5 on my collection"


Yeah I know its a long road, and my current skill in training is energy management 5 even before I posted this topic Big smile (but still a week to complete, and have lots of more skills to get).

I already am on a learning plan for the engineering skills to get my certificate and the skills up to be more efficient, but I was also mixing a few missile skills to not go in with big tank and take an hour to kill one BS P.

After all, for less than a 2 months old character, so far its working ok Smile