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Missions and isk

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June Deal
Air
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-03-10 18:02:34 UTC
o7

I havent missioned since 2007 or so, and have a quick question.
What kind of isk pr hr can I expect doing highsec missions lvl 4 or 5, and missions in 0.0 pirate space?

I have access to lvl 4 agents both in highsec and in 0.0 pirate space.

Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#2 - 2013-03-10 18:11:33 UTC
everything depends on LP exchange rate. Do the math.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-10 18:47:49 UTC
high sec level 4 missions can get you realistically about 80m/hour counting with the LP/isk ratio i have.

you'll get more in low and null obviously but i think you can probably earn more in low/null through exploration and anoms
June Deal
Air
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-03-10 19:15:58 UTC
Thank you Tsukino Stareine for answering my question,
And thank you Kiwis23 for nothing.
Orlacc
#5 - 2013-03-10 22:38:58 UTC
Also, no level 5 missions in high sec.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Crash Lander
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-11 00:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crash Lander
A few days ago I was thinking about the same thing and was meaning to ask a similar question on the forums.
I am/was interested in concrete numbers so I decided to do a test: "Whats the absolute most isk I can make with L4s if I played like a zombie". Note: this is not recommended for your health.

So I did two sessions (highsec) and used the journal data to get a figure: result

Session one was 77.2 minutes and netted 42,751,651 isk/hr in bounties and mission rewards.
Session two was 121.65 minutes and netted 45,907,494.94 isk/hr in bounties and mission rewards.

Loot was salvaged on a second character "ONLY when possible," that means if the primary character had to have idle time (traveling, from/to the agent, etc). LP obviously goes on top of it. If that wasn't in the mix I think I could make a few mil more/hr but that loot is worth more.

In terms of pure isk income I doubt you can do much better (though I would love to be proven wrong).
In terms of fun gameplay lets just say I'm not going to play it that way ever again. Its an extremely un-fun way to play the game. It needs way too much concentration and those 1-2 hour sessions are the max time I'm willing to spend in a session of eve.

If someone else has similar concrete data they would like to share on other activities it would be nice.

Cheers!
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-11 01:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
does the data include LP as well? Also loot and salvage usually ends up being the lion's share of the reward. I got an estimated 70m haul off one level 4 mission a few hours ago that took about 20 minutes to clear and then another 10 to loot with my noctis.

faction mission, so no bounties, but still very worth my time. 70m is on the high end for that particular mission, I have gotten as low as 50 before.
Crash Lander
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-03-11 04:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Crash Lander
No as I mentioned pure ISK income from the agent and bounties. LP and salvage are substantiation but obviously harder to liquidate. Though I should have mentioned I decline faction missions for the standing hit.

That means my runs have higher 'pure isk' numbers and lower loot value.

I wasn't keeping track of the exact LP or loot value though from memory the isk estimate in the inventory window for the two sessions overall was somewhere between 150-250 mil but I'd take that estimate with a grain of salt as the estimate is usually inflated (depending on the region you are in and how items are priced there).
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#9 - 2013-03-11 10:41:12 UTC
Machariel + 0.5 system + blitzing = ~50000 lp/h
50000lp * 2000 ISK/lp item = ~100mio ISK/h just from the lp (and there are even better items out there) + bounty + mission reward.


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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#10 - 2013-03-11 10:44:39 UTC
Crash Lander wrote:

If someone else has similar concrete data they would like to share on other activities it would be nice.

Cheers!


A mate made a statistic out of .. 200(?) missions he had flown.
I can't remember the excat numbers by head.
The conclusion was ~50k LP/h.

If you want to know the exact number write me a mail.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-11 11:18:00 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel + 0.5 system + blitzing = ~50000 lp/h
50000lp * 2000 ISK/lp item = ~100mio ISK/h just from the lp (and there are even better items out there) + bounty + mission reward.




problem with 0.5 systems is that they border low sec and a lot of missions end up sending you to low sec which is not a fun place for a mach to be
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2013-03-11 11:26:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel + 0.5 system + blitzing = ~50000 lp/h
50000lp * 2000 ISK/lp item = ~100mio ISK/h just from the lp (and there are even better items out there) + bounty + mission reward.




problem with 0.5 systems is that they border low sec and a lot of missions end up sending you to low sec which is not a fun place for a mach to be


Maybe it depends on agent/faction/region/system but I run L4s for an agent in 0.5 system and really really small fraction is in lowsec. And by that I mean for nearly 50 missions I run on weekend only 2 or 3 were in lowsec. And out of those 1 was storyline and others were some I would not run anyway.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#13 - 2013-03-11 11:42:55 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


problem with 0.5 systems is that they border low sec and a lot of missions end up sending you to low sec which is not a fun place for a mach to be

Not every 0.5 system ;-)
And what i posted was not theoretically, that was statistically. So someone was getting 50k lp in a 0.5 system.

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ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#14 - 2013-03-11 13:07:01 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


problem with 0.5 systems is that they border low sec and a lot of missions end up sending you to low sec which is not a fun place for a mach to be

Not every 0.5 system ;-)
And what i posted was not theoretically, that was statistically. So someone was getting 50k lp in a 0.5 system.


Which mission are you running ?
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#15 - 2013-03-12 10:20:30 UTC
ExcalibursTemplar wrote:

Which mission are you running ?

Not my statistic, but i run in a similar fashion and allmost the same missions:
Please look her.

38/81 means he got the mission 81 times from an agent, but only accepted 28 times.
Oh, and i did not remember correctly, his conclusion was 60k lp/h, that means 120mio ISK/h from LP

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Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-12 15:53:13 UTC
Last time I've chained Enemies Abound 3/5, I got arround 50 mil in loot/salvage in about 25 minutes (CNR @ arround 800 DPS).

Guess you can do it in 15 with a mach.

It all depends on your skills, the missions you do, the system your agent is in, the LP conversation ratio, blitzing or not, looting or not.. --> to much variables in there, but 40 mil/ hour with the right missions, looting and salvaging but without LP seems reasonable - atleast that's close to what I did with one BS and a noctis-alt. Obviously, all that LP I got turned into nice iskies would have bumped that.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#17 - 2013-03-13 11:31:13 UTC
Pulse MWD 1500 cap boosted Pally plus any other ship with 1100+ DPS blitz fleet, average mission lasts 5 min, dock reload repair, 2-3 min BIO etc.

Id put the isk per hour for each person accounting for everything at about 140-150M per hour per head.

P.S. you can find my fitting for pally on battleclinic, P.S.S. MWD only thing your really interested in is the less cap it takes from capacitor, the better.
-10 is alll you really need, -8 wouldn't hurt, less cap charges you use the faster.

Also, don't be afraid to overload guns short bursts strategically, it can make noticeable difference.
Example:
You land on gurista ships that want to move out to 50KM, you load up Canflag ammo and blap them between 8000 meters and 24KM, you can even MWD towards them if you know your cap will be fine for the rest of the time before you dock up (practice makes perfect)
Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2013-03-13 12:09:52 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel + 0.5 system + blitzing = ~50000 lp/h
50000lp * 2000 ISK/lp item = ~100mio ISK/h just from the lp (and there are even better items out there) + bounty + mission reward.




problem with 0.5 systems is that they border low sec and a lot of missions end up sending you to low sec which is not a fun place for a mach to be


Find a level 4 agent in a dead-end 0.5 system.

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-13 12:13:00 UTC
June Deal wrote:
o7

I havent missioned since 2007 or so, and have a quick question.
What kind of isk pr hr can I expect doing highsec missions lvl 4 or 5, and missions in 0.0 pirate space?

I have access to lvl 4 agents both in highsec and in 0.0 pirate space.

My view: less than 40M per hour per toon on average running L4 in Highsec.

I have seen some claim +100M per hour, and while that might be true... I have my doubts. Mission/bounty payout for ISK on average is no more than 15-20 million. Salvage and loot can average more, but you have to factor in the time to acquire, sort transport and sell. Loyalty points can easily bring you more ISK than bounties/mission rewards and loot, but it also takes time. Time to convert/move/sell. If you want the greatest return on you Loyalty Points then you have to know the market and make sell orders, plus adjust when under-bid. Time.

It depends on how you what to calculate per hour: from the moment you leave station until the moment you return or from the moment you start working on the mission (survival, loadouts, etc) until the ISK is in your wallet.


Your millage may vary. Blink


dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-13 12:48:23 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
I have seen some claim +100M per hour, and while that might be true... I have my doubts.


Most of the time it's because people claim 2 : 1 or better conversion ratio on loyalty points to isk, while constantly blitzing only the most profitable missions at close to impossible speed, flying a 15B pimped out faction battleship or tengu. Often it's nothing more then epeen flexing form "hardcore" mission runners, who see the lvl 4 isk/time ratio as a direct indication of now good they are at playing eve, and they like to think they make 2-3 times as much as anyone else.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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