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News ideas : Concord pressed by Empire to permit lvl 1 capital ships into empire space.
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#1 - 2013-03-10 13:07:52 UTC
Due to extreme incursions into empire space, (by N.P.C. pirate fleets)
the three Empires ( -Caldari ) have agreed, to open further open discussions (this thread).
Discussions concerning capsulers, flying level 1* capital ships into secure Empire space.

The 3 Empires have debated this limited permission,
to the loud counter arguments, set forth by the Caldari Empire.
Caldari seam to have the most to gain from disabled,
neighboring Empires.

Minmater republic, voices it's future concern of being layed barren and open to a complete take over by Caldari warmongers.
This proposition was backed sternly by Galentees, who value freedom over, zeolous tyrrany.

...end...
...
There have been discussions on how to let CONCORD handle offending capital ship pilots : force them into an artifical - jump - hole, that leads them into non empire space, or, worse, an isolated no exit WH space (known and designated by CONCORD as Underworld).

Before you speak,
go try doing some incursion runs.
Seriously.. because u can't even try.

*lvl 1 capital ships, refers to ships that require level one training (out of 5) in the respective capital ship's main skill.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2013-03-10 13:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
So... Dreads and carriers in highsec?

No. Get out.

Furthermore, biomass your character.
Uninstall EVE.

You don't need capitals to do highsec incursions.

People don't need to start doing Lv4s in carriers either - and you know perfectly well that's exactly what will happen.

By the way, there are four Empires. You forgot Amarr.


To everyone else - This is why posting while drunk or high is a terrible idea. You post things like this. Don't post things like this.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2013-03-10 13:22:00 UTC
I agree this is a bad idea. It would be abused to hell and back, no doubt.

It's a no from me.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-10 13:23:00 UTC
So after tieracide all caps?
No never

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2013-03-10 13:28:39 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So after tieracide all caps?
No never


Caps aren't tiered though. Dreads exist by themselves. Carriers and Supercarriers exist in the same sub-tab of the market but have entirely different classifications. Titans are.. well.. Titans.

So there isn't any Tiericide to do on caps and supers. It would never open the gate to 'all' caps/supers.

This is still a horrible, addle-brained idea.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-10 14:10:49 UTC
your reasoning is INCURSIONS? really? yeah, those are so hard to do solo, carriers would come in-oh WAIT


incursions are meant to be done in a competent fleet, which honestly if you subscribe to the right chat channels and arent an asshat/team-killer you shouldnt have any trouble getting a fleet.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2013-03-10 15:20:28 UTC
I support this idea and/or service, PROVIDED

1. The Cyno instantly creates a 0.0 sec space with full rules thereto (no criminal flags, yes bubbles, dictors, etc) upon activation on grid.
2. any pilots shooting the cyno and/or capital do _not_ get flagged as criminals (save aggro flag to the corp the cap is in -- e.g. it's just a canflip)
3. hisec cynos cannot be lit within 15 AU of the sun, and mult be a further 1 AU from of any celestial and/or station/POS
4. caps cannot activate _ANY_ modules (on pain of CONCORDOKKEN) while offgrid from a cyno.


The above is mostly jest ... and only because I don't have enough tear buckets if it was implemented.

In short, the OP's idea is terrible. He should feel ashamed, and find the nearest biomass queue.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-10 17:44:51 UTC
Maybe you guys should stop replying to this thread, we know its a **** idea, maybe we should go discuss things that are actually good ideas?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#9 - 2013-03-10 23:14:50 UTC
Nice, must have touched a nerve.
now now now kids, I already have all you whiners on ignore, so bark away i ain't bothered.
...........................
What i started researching way back,
is there is something up with incursions,
much like there is brewing story behind them coming up:

"Sansa gains perminent foot hold in [one of 4 Empire] spaces"

And i found a solution . . . 
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#10 - 2013-03-10 23:15:41 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So after tieracide all caps?
No never


Could you give me an example, please. Big smile
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#11 - 2013-03-10 23:18:09 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So after tieracide all caps?
No never


Caps aren't tiered though. Dreads exist by themselves. Carriers and Supercarriers exist in the same sub-tab of the market but have entirely different classifications. Titans are.. well.. Titans.

So there isn't any Tiericide to do on caps and supers. It would never open the gate to 'all' caps/supers.

This is still a horrible, addle-brained idea.


Now now, calm down,
What is it that you forsee to be so "horrible" about this idea,
could you give an example?
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#12 - 2013-03-10 23:28:28 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
So... Dreads and carriers in highsec?

No. Get out.
. . .
You don't need capitals to do highsec incursions.
. . .
People don't need to start doing Lv4s in carriers either - and you know perfectly well that's exactly what will happen.
. . .
By the way, there are four Empires. You forgot Amarr.


To everyone else - This is why posting while drunk or high is a terrible idea. You post things like this. Don't post things like this.


Quote : " . . . don't need capitals to do highsec incursions. . . "
Yes, yes, interesting word play . . "don't need capitals" so what, much like you don't need battle ships, or capsuls. It is a logical falasy.. the whole phrase is a logical falasy.

QUote: " don't need to start doing Lv4s in carriers either "
Waough , you repeted your self.. yet interchanged 2 words..

QuOtE, 3! :O "there are four Empires."
Waough... did i not write ( - caldari ) and add in the story... that caldaris would stand to gain.. where as the other 3 empires are talking.
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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#13 - 2013-03-10 23:29:12 UTC
Let me re post the forum rules that state :
"
#1Posted: 2011.09.06 06:40 | Report | Edited by: CCP Spitfire
The Features and Ideas forum is primarily for players to make suggestions or put forth ideas that they feel may improve EVE.

If you know of an issue or problem it belongs in either:
Issues, Workarounds & Localization
or
Test Server Feedback

Along with this, the RULES are going to be enforced at a more vigorous level.

Please, read the forum rules, and pay attention to them. If you don't like someone's idea, please remember to post with respect towards fellow players at all times and remain constructive.

Thus a couple ground rules:
1) This is a breeding ground for ideas. If someone has an idea, listen to it. If you don't like it, think about why. Constructive feedback is good. Posting "That's an awful idea," is not constructive.

2) This is not a forum for known issues. There are links above to the forums that deal with those. If you have an idea of how to improve an issue, that is one thing. If you are simply pointing out flaws and shortcomings, it is not a feature or idea.

3) Please put some information regarding your idea in the topic. Topics named things like "An idea" or "Does anybody think...." will be renamed.

4) This is for Features and Ideas - not simple requests. Threads like "I want XXX module. Give it to me now," are not constructive. Please put some ideas into it, even if it's just a suggestion or two to spark a thread.

5) Before posting an idea, please check the Commonly Proposed Ideas Thread to see if there's already a topic running for it. Reposts will be locked and routed to the active thread.
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Alobeth Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#14 - 2013-03-11 00:25:10 UTC
The incompitence in here is astounding, . .
You people are just taking a ****, . .
He is refering to a idea about an news report, . .

But you are just trollololing away at the last insult the last jack ass posted.

read the post ffs
DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-11 00:37:36 UTC
We already have level 1 cap ships....They are called freighter, jump freighter and orca

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Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#16 - 2013-03-11 00:54:26 UTC
2/10 Far too obvious.

I gave the two points because you've suckered a few people in and convinced them that you're serious about this with the OP, but the terrible grammar has just gone too far. You even misspelled "fallacy", and anybody who knows what a fallacy is has a basic level of literacy, which makes that misspelling a dead giveaway.

Then quoting the rules for posting in F&I was a nice touch, but your inference that this makes really terrible ideas immune to any (ie, not just un-constructive) criticism is pushing it a bit.

Also, suggesting that capitals would be good for highsec Incursions just gives the game away entirely, especially given that Incursions are gated.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2013-03-11 03:04:02 UTC
Even with skills at level 1 capitals retain massive force projection abilities on top of relatively massive tanks. Letting capitals into high sec also allows major organizations to store capital assets without fear of being hot dropped or randomly attacked by anyone.

How did you Veterans start?
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-11 07:58:57 UTC
Sir Dragon wrote:
*lvl 1 capital ships, refers to ships that require level one training (out of 5) in the respective capital ship's main skill.


So...All of them?

Except for supercapitals and motherships, naturally, but what purpose would allowing dreadnoughts and carriers into highsec serve?

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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#19 - 2013-03-11 09:36:32 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Sir Dragon wrote:
*lvl 1 capital ships, refers to ships that require level one training (out of 5) in the respective capital ship's main skill.


So...All of them?

Except for supercapitals and motherships, naturally, but what purpose would allowing dreadnoughts and carriers into highsec serve?


The idea is to hold an huge discussion regarding the future of Incursions;
To that end of deciding the question, that I set forth.
Will Incursions, inevitably, lay to waste the various Empires:
Would permitting restricted capital ship access into Empire space,
help aliviate the growing problem.

To your 1st question, regarding what capital ships, . . .
for Carriers : it would be carriers that require [Racial name] Carrier Level 1,
for Dreadnoughts : It would be [Race name] Dreadnaught Level 1.

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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#20 - 2013-03-11 09:45:10 UTC
DataRunner Attor wrote:
We already have level 1 cap ships....They are called freighter, jump freighter and orca

True that..
It is the question on how to handle the added fire power,
that would fall into Capsulers hands in Empire space.

I say :
For breaking CONCORDS law's, they would be forced into an WH.

What to do with war decks?
Any ideas?
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