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Should nullsec industry > hisec industry?

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Dave Stark
#821 - 2013-03-10 10:47:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
Our scheme for distributing income is like this:

If you go around looking for idiots to kill, we'll reimburse any ship you lose up to and including a decent fit Machariel. If you're poor because you don't spend much time in the game making ISK, we'll help you cover the costs of a carrier. If you're just in GSF to run around Deklein turning red crosses into triangles, be glad we provide jump bridges and upgraded systems that enable that kind of thing in exchange for a meager tax rate.

I'd say our scheme there is decently equitable while allowing the alliance to have a sizable surplus to cover potential supercapital welps without bankrupting us. But tell us more about how we should stay bankrupt just to pay out the equivalent of a single anomaly to every member.


but you do nothing to help the poor miners! :(
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#822 - 2013-03-10 10:49:40 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
but you do nothing to help the poor miners! :(


Beyond putting up outposts and upgrading them to allow for 100% refines with skills and upgrading systems to allow more grav anoms to spawn? Nope!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Dave Stark
#823 - 2013-03-10 10:57:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
but you do nothing to help the poor miners! :(


Beyond putting up outposts and upgrading them to allow for 100% refines with skills and upgrading systems to allow more grav anoms to spawn? Nope!


such a shame 0.0 grav sites all still yield less isk/m3 than regular scordite :(
Frying Doom
#824 - 2013-03-10 12:59:30 UTC
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#825 - 2013-03-10 13:25:50 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?

Is that the bit where the discussion moves to how the reason nullsec industry isn't working because You Stupid Nullseccers Just Aren't Playing Nullsec Clever Enough?

Or is it when the discussion moves to how You Can't Force Me To Change My Playstyle You Just Want Ganks

Actually, now that I consider it, the conversation might move to Nullsec Is Supposed To Be A Third World Country And The Game Is Designed For You To Have A Horrible Experience, or even I Thought You Wanted A Challenge Eve Is Cold And Harsh (except for the part i live in)

I hope it doesn't progess to Think Of The Casual Players Who All Live In Highsec Because I Say So for a couple of days
flakeys
Doomheim
#826 - 2013-03-10 13:38:11 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?



Funny how this discussion never took place with a 40+ page threadnaught while there where more and bigger wars going on in a few years back?And now that half of null is carebearland all of a sudden we got a huge incomeproblem ....

uhuh

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#827 - 2013-03-10 13:44:22 UTC
Its never to late to move back to highsec Idea
Frying Doom
#828 - 2013-03-10 13:45:53 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?



Funny how this discussion never took place with a 40+ page threadnaught while there where more and bigger wars going on in a few years back?And now that half of null is carebearland all of a sudden we got a huge incomeproblem ....

uhuh

You might want to check that, I seem to remember them going back at least a few years but in f&I not Gd

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
flakeys
Doomheim
#829 - 2013-03-10 14:21:16 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?



Funny how this discussion never took place with a 40+ page threadnaught while there where more and bigger wars going on in a few years back?And now that half of null is carebearland all of a sudden we got a huge incomeproblem ....

uhuh

You might want to check that, I seem to remember them going back at least a few years but in f&I not Gd



I don't need to check that as i said ''when there where bigger wars on'' tell me after the north collapsed a few years back has there been any ''big war'' ? All you got left is huge blobs killing off small blobs and whining that that smaller blob doesn't undock o/TEST looking at you lot .


So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .


Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#830 - 2013-03-10 14:37:47 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?

Is that the bit where the discussion moves to how the reason nullsec industry isn't working because You Stupid Nullseccers Just Aren't Playing Nullsec Clever Enough?

Or is it when the discussion moves to how You Can't Force Me To Change My Playstyle You Just Want Ganks

Actually, now that I consider it, the conversation might move to Nullsec Is Supposed To Be A Third World Country And The Game Is Designed For You To Have A Horrible Experience, or even I Thought You Wanted A Challenge Eve Is Cold And Harsh (except for the part i live in)

I hope it doesn't progess to Think Of The Casual Players Who All Live In Highsec Because I Say So for a couple of days

Why not.

Let's have the Highsec is Like Heaven because CONCORD is like God discussion.

Or maybe a CONCORD are Literally Gods of Highsec discussion.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#831 - 2013-03-10 14:40:08 UTC
flakeys wrote:



So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .


Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.


Broken Trusec, R64 income, perma ran DED sites. However I don't see your point, industry in null back then was terrible as it is now. Almost everything was imported in using freighters and bridging or doing the carrier exploit.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#832 - 2013-03-10 14:43:18 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
flakeys wrote:



So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .

Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.

Broken Trusec, R64 income, perma ran DED sites. However I don't see your point, industry in null back then was terrible as it is now. Almost everything was imported in using freighters and bridging or doing the carrier exploit.

My my, it's like they all needed a nerf.

Nerf tech by the way, that way nullsec can be a ~true~ harsh and cold wasteland full of ~worthless things~ for ~worthless people~ to fight over. Then maybe they'll learn to appreciate highsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frying Doom
#833 - 2013-03-10 14:44:34 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So has this discussion gotten past the point where all the people from hi-sec seem to believe that everyone in Null is a member of Goonswarm and that every member has a tech moons worth of profit available to them alone?



Funny how this discussion never took place with a 40+ page threadnaught while there where more and bigger wars going on in a few years back?And now that half of null is carebearland all of a sudden we got a huge incomeproblem ....

uhuh

You might want to check that, I seem to remember them going back at least a few years but in f&I not Gd



I don't need to check that as i said ''when there where bigger wars on'' tell me after the north collapsed a few years back has there been any ''big war'' ? All you got left is huge blobs killing off small blobs and whining that that smaller blob doesn't undock o/TEST looking at you lot .


So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .


Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.


Well let's see, from my perspective I couldn't give a stuff about null wars, so I am talking about player owned being better than NPC.

Enlighten me wasn't bib the alliance getting illegal help from devas, being the reason we have a csm now?

But to be honest I don't care about big alliances in anyway other than the effect bootum up income and a usage based sov will have.

I care about the industrialists be they part of an alliance or solo, now these people myself included deserve and for that matter pay for more than just getting stuffed into hi sec and being told to rot.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#834 - 2013-03-10 14:46:53 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
flakeys wrote:



So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .

Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.

Broken Trusec, R64 income, perma ran DED sites. However I don't see your point, industry in null back then was terrible as it is now. Almost everything was imported in using freighters and bridging or doing the carrier exploit.

My my, it's like they all needed a nerf.

Nerf tech by the way, that way nullsec can be a ~true~ harsh and cold wasteland full of ~worthless things~ for ~worthless people~ to fight over. Then maybe they'll learn to appreciate highsec.

Actually this discussion reminds me of trying to tell school kids what the real world is like, but having them failing to understand it as to them school is the real world.Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#835 - 2013-03-10 14:49:05 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
flakeys wrote:



So again , enlighten me why this is a verry high concern now that big wars are non existant and while technetium income is skyhigh for a large part of null.And again yes it is a large part if you look at the amount of players in the OTEC alliances.

How the hell did alliances like BOB -owwww i dared say it and in comes T2 whining- even stay alive for longer then 1 month beats me , i mean they should have been sucked dry as an alliance and as members the day they stepped into null right?I mean they had constant wars and didn't suck techtitty as much as CFC does yet they're idnustrial backbone was strong and delivered perfectly during wartimes yeaaaaaaaaaars back and we didn't even have JF's / jumpbridges then .

Ahh i know they must have been cheating devs , that's it it all makes sense now.

Broken Trusec, R64 income, perma ran DED sites. However I don't see your point, industry in null back then was terrible as it is now. Almost everything was imported in using freighters and bridging or doing the carrier exploit.

My my, it's like they all needed a nerf.

Nerf tech by the way, that way nullsec can be a ~true~ harsh and cold wasteland full of ~worthless things~ for ~worthless people~ to fight over. Then maybe they'll learn to appreciate highsec.

Actually this discussion reminds me of trying to tell school kids what the real world is like, but having them failing to understand it as to them school is the ral world.Big smile

Ah I found the right link.

EAT IT NULLSEC

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#836 - 2013-03-10 15:15:51 UTC
If nullsec industry is too hard, just go back to highsec.

CHECKMATE, GOONS!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#837 - 2013-03-10 15:22:12 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
If nullsec industry is too hard, just go back to highsec.

CHECKMATE, GOONS!

YEAH, get back on CONCORD's hawt azz titazz

EDIT: Where do you think all the stuff being JFed from Jita to VFK comes from?

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Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#838 - 2013-03-10 15:25:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
But to be honest I don't care about big alliances in anyway other than the effect bootum up income and a usage based sov will have.

I care about the industrialists be they part of an alliance or solo, now these people myself included deserve and for that matter pay for more than just getting stuffed into hi sec and being told to rot.


i·ro·ny [ahy-ruh-nee]
noun, plural i·ro·nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. Eg: Frying Doom doesn't care about big power blocks, he cares about the little guy. Has "vote for Malcanis" in his forum signature.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#839 - 2013-03-10 15:41:06 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
But to be honest I don't care about big alliances in anyway other than the effect bootum up income and a usage based sov will have.

I care about the industrialists be they part of an alliance or solo, now these people myself included deserve and for that matter pay for more than just getting stuffed into hi sec and being told to rot.


i·ro·ny [ahy-ruh-nee]
noun, plural i·ro·nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. Eg: Frying Doom doesn't care about big power blocks, he cares about the little guy. Has "vote for Malcanis" in his forum signature.

And to think, while I still had Jade Constantine's internet spacewhore site linked, people thought I was serious.

Now you can really tell how much I love highsec and CONCORD by looking at my new, updated, signature. It feels like the point retention has risen by over 50% with just this change alone.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#840 - 2013-03-10 15:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Kane Alvo wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
But to be honest I don't care about big alliances in anyway other than the effect bootum up income and a usage based sov will have.

I care about the industrialists be they part of an alliance or solo, now these people myself included deserve and for that matter pay for more than just getting stuffed into hi sec and being told to rot.


i·ro·ny [ahy-ruh-nee]
noun, plural i·ro·nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. Eg: Frying Doom doesn't care about big power blocks, he cares about the little guy. Has "vote for Malcanis" in his forum signature.


Malcanis is part of Initiative, which for the most of their history has been smallish when compared to others in 0.0. So not sure how that's ironic.

What is ironic is your pick for CSM, which claims to be an awoxer/corp thief, yet wants CCP to make corporations a safer place. So either hes a hypocrite or he does it to prove how broken the system is.

Still you show you are clueless when it comes to anything regarding 0.0.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden