EVE General Discussion

And here we go again - "Take away highsec's comparative advantage, but let us keep ours."

Again and again, you guys (not all of you, but most) campaign for things that will turn highsec into the third world.

The funniest thing of all is that in January you were all "We're rolling in it, losing a Trillion because someone mis-clicked and jumped their titan is nothing", and then suddenly you're following the new party line that "Nullsec is a blasted wasteland, with only the hardiest surviving on a tiny income, starving for lack of low-end ores". Now you're lacking industry as well, apparently. I ask you, who has stolen your ISK in the last two months? Who has destroyed all your industry and ore sites? Perhaps you should blame them, rather than embarking on a crusade against highsec because your masters preached one two months ago.

i would link you to the post i made about null sec mining, but it seems quoting facts is deemed as trolling by one of the moderators so i won't do that again, i don't want yet another ban.

edit: although this post didn't get deleted, and the rest of my calculations followed suit.
so, that's how hard it is to earn isk in null sec.

It was, as I said, pretty rough and ready. I took the estimated ship value of an alliance's or corp's losses for February 2013 from Eve-kill. I then divided it by the number of pilots in that corp or alliance as given by EvE-Kill or EvE Who (or in some cases Dotlan). I did this for the Goons, for TEST, The Initiative, Pandemic Legion, EvE University, Solar Fleet, several mid-sized alliances that operate in nullsec but have few systems, some WH corps, and Ripard's corp for the heck of it.

I expected that the high-profile PvP corps would go through more ISK in ships than other corps, and that highsec carebears (which because so many are in NPC corps that I didn't check are only really represented by Eve Uni) would go through less. I was quite surprised that the vast majority went through 50-100M ISK per pilot per month. The difference was in what value of other people's ships they blew up with them.

The exceptions were Solar Fleet and one of the null/WH PvP corps (their name escapes me, and I didn't think to note it down - I did this by hand in a late-night fit of inspiration) - they went through around 150-200M ISK of ships per pilot per month. I don't know enough about those alliances to know what they're doing differently - their efficiency wasn't oddly low, so they weren't simply burning blingy ships badly.

Well the "fuels" point was mostly about the fact I play quite hard in the minerals and ices markets. 100B at a time hard. Imagine if only prices doubled or tripled again (*shows $$$$$ eyes a la Scrooge*).

During the Hulkageddons I - IV prices only doubled, the cost of moving a JF would be double of trivial and anyway an o(risk involved). But the cheapness of transport is another Pandora can of worms better left alone for now.

Of course they don't. However, it shows that nullsec pilots' ship-based expenses aren't noticeably different from those of anywhere else, and that they and their corps and alliances can afford them and their sov fees, infrastructure projects, and supercap programs without having to curtail their flying. Hence they are not poor by any meaningful use of the word.

I expected that I'd see a rather higher consumption of ISK on ships in the nullsec alliances - that they were paying for their security by losing more ships. In fact they don't seem to.

If an alliance has tons of money, and it's pilots don't (or vice versa), that's a matter for the management and the pilots to take up and resolve between them.

Alternatively, in a cold, hard, and uncaring universe, perhaps it is the fate of the majority to be exploited by corps and alliances who employ them, whilst the owners and management of those corps and their favourites live it up.

Not from me.

If the alliances is rich and the pilots poor, payout some of the funds. If the reverse, raise taxes, charge membership fees, or something like that. It's not rocket science.

Clearly, we should drop reimbursements altogether and simply distribute our monthly surplus to our membership, leaving them with all of ~30m/member even after accounting for alts. That's a great scheme that incentivizes activity and it definitely promotes the ability of the alliance to remain solvent! Because, in NPC alt logic, a "surplus" is just ISK that goes to the directorate and not a fund that could potentially pay for a massive loss, since it's not like those things happen. You, sir, are a genius!