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Upcoming ship skill changes - Destroyer
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Asmodai Xodai
#1 - 2013-03-10 01:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
DISCLAIMER: Forgive me if this isn't the right area for this, but the comments on the devblog are 50+ pages and I'm not even sure they are being read by anyone or posted to at this point. And I can't find any other appropriate area. Also used the search function but couldn't find anything.

At any rate, my reading of the upcoming ship skill changes seems to suggest (but it doesn't flat out say) that if I play certain cards right I can get destroyer 'for free' for any races I have trained cruiser. I will explain.

Using Maller as an example, I can currently fly this ship. When the ship skill changes happen, Maller (and any cruiser) will require Destroyer III (currently doesn't). Therefore, under the principle of "if you can fly it now, you can fly it then" if I don't have Destroyer III trained (or Destroyer even trained at all), I should be given Destroyer III... correct?

I'm simply trying to plan out my ship training now, in hopes I can complete it all before this expansion hits.

Thanks, and devblog post linked below.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#2 - 2013-03-10 01:39:18 UTC
No, it doesn't mater if you have the cruiser skill. Dependencies only mater if you want to inject a skill. So you will still be able to fly your Maller but you don't get any Destroyer skill.

I'm pretty sure that's explained in the devblog
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#3 - 2013-03-10 01:41:17 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
DISCLAIMER: Forgive me if this isn't the right area for this, but the comments on the devblog are 50+ pages and I'm not even sure they are being read by anyone or posted to at this point. And I can't find any other appropriate area. Also used the search function but couldn't find anything.

At any rate, my reading of the upcoming ship skill changes seems to suggest (but it doesn't flat out say) that if I play certain cards right I can get destroyer 'for free' for any races I have trained cruiser. I will explain.

Using Maller as an example, I can currently fly this ship. When the ship skill changes happen, Maller (and any cruiser) will require Destroyer III (currently doesn't). Therefore, under the principle of "if you can fly it now, you can fly it then" if I don't have Destroyer III trained (or Destroyer even trained at all), I should be given Destroyer III... correct?

I'm simply trying to plan out my ship training now, in hopes I can complete it all before this expansion hits.

Thanks, and devblog post linked below.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234


You won't be given Amarr Destroyer III (Or whatever.) You can fly the Cruiser now, so the Cruiser skill will be checked. The preqs don't matter.

You can have Amarr Cruiser IV, without a single level in Amarr Destroyer.(Only for this split of course)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2013-03-10 01:54:01 UTC
The only thing you will get "for free" are the appropriate racial destroyer and Battlecruiser skills, as the general ones currently extant will be removed.

To get those, you will need the appropriate racial frigate or cruiser skill to 3, and Destroyers/Battlecruisers trained to the level which you want to receive post patch.

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Asmodai Xodai
#5 - 2013-03-10 02:24:14 UTC
Wow, totally misread it, and I read it several times over to make sure I understood it.

Glad I asked, and thanks for the clarification.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-10 02:26:16 UTC
Well at least you didn't have to have it explained to you 15 times in 15 different ways for you to understand it, like some people in that thread...

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Asmodai Xodai
#7 - 2013-03-10 02:57:43 UTC
So am I at least reading this correct that if I train generic Destroyer now to whatever level, and have racial frigates trained (all races), I should be given racial Destroyer of whatever level for all races?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2013-03-10 03:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
So am I at least reading this correct that if I train generic Destroyer now to whatever level, and have racial frigates trained (all races), I should be given racial Destroyer of whatever level for all races?


Pretty much, if you have the prerequisites and have destroyers trained you'll get the racial destroyer skills you qualify for at the same level as you had destroyers, 5 is a good idea if you can spare the time. The same goes for the battlecruisers skill, if you can spare the time to train the prerequisites and get it to level 4 or 5, do it.

edit: from scratch with a remap you can train all racial frigates and cruisers prerequisites(4 and 3 respectively), destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5 in under 50 days, just in time for a nice SP bonus.Cool

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Asmodai Xodai
#9 - 2013-03-10 03:48:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
from scratch with a remap you can train all racial frigates and cruisers prerequisites(4 and 3 respectively), destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5 in under 50 days, just in time for a nice SP bonus.Cool


Already on it Cool
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-10 16:50:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
edit: from scratch with a remap you can train all racial frigates and cruisers prerequisites(4 and 3 respectively), destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5 in under 50 days, just in time for a nice SP bonus.Cool

Already trained destroyers and battlecruisers to V, and I'm an Industrialist. Took me two months because I wasn't maped for Per, Will.

As soon as they [CCP] said that they were going to split the skills into racial skills, almost a year ago, I started training them. It has really helped out for grinding standings anyway, so there is that.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#11 - 2013-03-10 17:55:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Well at least you didn't have to have it explained to you 15 times in 15 different ways for you to understand it, like some people in that thread...


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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-10 18:23:28 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Well at least you didn't have to have it explained to you 15 times in 15 different ways for you to understand it, like some people in that thread...


He hasn't had time to be turned to the dark side. Give him time.....



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Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#13 - 2013-03-11 07:42:36 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Well at least you didn't have to have it explained to you 15 times in 15 different ways for you to understand it, like some people in that thread...


He hasn't had time to be turned to the dark side. Give him time.....



Yes, come to the dark side. We have cookies.


And cake?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-03-11 07:53:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
edit: from scratch with a remap you can train all racial frigates and cruisers prerequisites(4 and 3 respectively), destroyers 5 and battlecruisers 5 in under 50 days, just in time for a nice SP bonus.Cool

I just say to train all cruisers to 3, seeing as getting the racial cruiser skill requires racial frigate to 4 anyway.

Should be very interesting to see what happens when the skill progression goes like
Frigate 3 >> Destroyer 3 >> Cruiser 3 >> Battlecruisers 3 >> Battleship 3 >> Carrier/Dreadnought/Titan
Of course the last two come with more prerequisites (although Spaceship Command 4 for the racial battleship skill will naturally be at most a day to train).

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