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Arrest of Seriphyn Inhonores
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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#21 - 2013-03-09 19:00:35 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
This willingness to be arrested by planetary authorities is basically just political showing-off.


There are Other Reasons.

The Well-Being of the Annette Inhonores is dependent on the actions of Renowned War Hero Former Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores.

If the Seriphyn Inhonores was to say "Ha! I am a Space Pilot and am Above Planetary Law", then it may Reflect Poorly upon the Annette Inhonores, leading her to be Side-lined for Future Holo-Film Roles and other Entertainment Products.

The Media would Report the Annette Inhonores as "Daughter of fugitive criminal Seriphyn Inhonores", instead of "popular holo-film actress". This would be Detrimental to Annette Inhonores.

It is A Complicated Situation.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-03-09 19:11:36 UTC
As was clearly pointed out, Capsuleer 'immunity' ceases the moment you step out of CONCORD controlled areas.

If you go baselining under another jurisdiction you will face that legal system. Weather one has the resources to handle such situations varies of course.

IE someone like myself won't exactly be going planetside on Athra any time this century, savvy?

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2013-03-09 19:23:38 UTC
Unless someone from the Senate shows up and says this was requested, or YOU provide the documentation that this is legal, then you got no authority holding him.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Augustus Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#24 - 2013-03-09 19:45:52 UTC
As it appears there is either a misunderstanding or miscommunication with regards to the reasons as to why Director Seriphyn Inhonores is being held, I will reiterate my previous statement.

Augustus Inhonores wrote:
The Destiny Foundation would empathetically clarify that we do not believe Director Seriphyn Inhonores's capsuleer status grants him any special privileges or rights over any other citizen. As an organization both managed and staffed primarily by non-capsuleers, Director Inhonores is accountable to the same laws and regulations as all other employees and volunteers. In this instance, Director Inhonores's actions against Federal Intelligence Office starships represents a breach of Federal regulation, and thus he is accountable for his actions anywhere in the Federation regardless of jurisdiction.

Any suggestions that Director Seriphyn Inhonores can simply shrug off the due process of law due to his individual status demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of the Destiny Foundation's doctrines and desires, and a self-aggrandizement symptomatic of capsuleers that is contrarian to the principles of equality. If individuals have any suggestions as to how we may have avoided Director Inhonores's arrest without compromising Destiny Foundation's law-abiding reputation, we will be happy to hear it. Please direct all such lines of communication to myself.


I sincerely hope that reading any public information released by the Destiny Foundation will provide readers with the clarification they desire.
Anslo
Scope Works
#25 - 2013-03-09 19:55:08 UTC
I don't care. Those ships killed who knows how many people and arrested how many others like some gods damned Provists of the Fed. So no, that doesn't work for me.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#26 - 2013-03-09 19:55:27 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:


IE someone like myself won't exactly be going planetside on Athra any time this century, savvy?



You're being pessimistic, darling. First Khanid and then the Empire! A hundred years is plenty of time. Then you can poison that toxic vixen and rule ruthlessly as you yourself see fit.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#27 - 2013-03-09 21:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Anslo wrote:
I don't care. Those ships killed who knows how many people and arrested how many others like some gods damned Provists of the Fed. So no, that doesn't work for me.


The part that concerns me most is that allegadly the rumour of illegal weapons that any civic minded citizen should look into, was all a trap.

So.... we have an agency here who create a situation where a civic minded citizen should investigate.
Then when someone does investigate. They shoot first and shoot to kill without any calls for surrender.
In short, an out & out setup designed to let them eliminate the targets and claim it was legal.
I would further note that Snipehunt went to significant lengths to ensure no fatalities occured to FIO personal on the station in question, merely knock out gas.

The alternative is the illegal weapons are real, and we are now seeing the cover up story that it was all a sting.

Either way leaves a bad taste.
And should be thrown out of any court by a judge as a blatent set up by FIO, given FIO have even admited that it was all a set up to get someone to investigate said rumours of illegal weapons.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#28 - 2013-03-09 21:49:51 UTC
A good many of us, even those with... favorable relationships with FIO came at the urging of Ma. Aurrent Boosnie (SnipeHunts [SN-HU]) to Inghenges II.

The chain of events that followed led many to become involved, either in support or opposition to FIO forces.

Honestly I didn't know what side I should or would support until the last moment.

When the shooting started my heart overtook my head, I locked then engaged Ms. Vysmon Demaunier's (Intelligence Office [FIO]) vessel.

I know this must seem an odd preoccupation to those of you with no particular tie or loyalty. But I believe in the Federation and the ideals for which she is supposed to stand. I am truly heartsick that circumstances lead to these outcomes.

Are we traitors? Are we not?

I suppose only time will tell.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#29 - 2013-03-09 21:55:44 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I don't care. Those ships killed who knows how many people and arrested how many others like some gods damned Provists of the Fed. So no, that doesn't work for me.


The part that concerns me most is that allegadly the rumour of illegal weapons that any civic minded citizen should look into, was all a trap.


What any civic minded citizen should do when faced with such rumor, is report it to the proper authorities. Not be vigilantes and take it into their own hand, hiring mercenaries to assault government facilities so that they can hack into and steal government property.

Sting operations are common. Just because it was trap, does not change the fact that the individuals involved willingly committed criminal actions.

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I would further note that Snipehunt went to significant lengths to ensure no fatalities occured to FIO personal on the station in question, merely knock out gas.


Read the report. They hired mercenaries to assault a groundside Federal installation. That doesn't sound like people "going to significant lengths to ensure no fatalities".
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-10 00:12:36 UTC
It's been argued that it doesn't count as a fatality if all the mercenaries involved are immortals.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#31 - 2013-03-10 01:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
I find it hard to believe that an assault on a Federal installation would result in not a single baseliner casualty. The facility surely wasn't operated by clone mercenaries.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-03-10 01:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
The mercs certainly don't report seeing any bodies. their own are dissolved by self-destruct nanites I understand, but I doubt civilian casualties would be thus cleaned up.

Frankly, by the time clone mercs have been mobilised the security condition at the facility has probably been elevated to the point of calling an evacuation or panic room.

In any case, the point is that when compared to conventional warfare, the total loss of life is vastly reduced. Maybe it can be eliminated entirely, maybe that's not always possible. But all things considered, anything which reduces the total number of lives permanently ended has got to be a good thing, even if the actual violence has escalated somewhat.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-03-10 02:37:54 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I don't care. Those ships killed who knows how many people and arrested how many others like some gods damned Provists of the Fed. So no, that doesn't work for me.


The part that concerns me most is that allegadly the rumour of illegal weapons that any civic minded citizen should look into, was all a trap.


What any civic minded citizen should do when faced with such rumor, is report it to the proper authorities. Not be vigilantes and take it into their own hand, hiring mercenaries to assault government facilities so that they can hack into and steal government property.

Sting operations are common. Just because it was trap, does not change the fact that the individuals involved willingly committed criminal actions.

Quote:
I would further note that Snipehunt went to significant lengths to ensure no fatalities occured to FIO personal on the station in question, merely knock out gas.


Read the report. They hired mercenaries to assault a groundside Federal installation. That doesn't sound like people "going to significant lengths to ensure no fatalities".

Here's a tip, Samira: what would you do when your aforementioned proper authorities are the very ones violating the law? Governments and their agents aren't above the law any more than their citizens are; remember when the Empress had to remind Ariticio of that one?
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#34 - 2013-03-10 02:55:42 UTC
Thank you for bringing up that example, mister Raqalth'Qui, because it just proves my point. Lord Kor-Azor was abusing his position, and whom was he punished by? Not vigilante citizens taking the law into their own hands. He was punished by the Speakers of Truth, which are the proper authority in such cases.

The Federation likes to talk about checks and balances, surely it has ways of legally investigating any potential criminal activity in its government branches.
Henry Montclaire
Guild of Independent Pilots
DammFam
#35 - 2013-03-10 04:51:20 UTC
I'm glad to see the FIO is stepping up and defending its facilities and databases against threats both foreign and domestic. The last administration was often criminally negligent in such matters and leaked classified information like a sieve.

If Gallentian citizens want more information from their government, resorting to acts of terrorism is not the answer. I trust Seriphyn Inhonores will be tried fairly and punished accordingly if found guilty.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-03-10 08:17:28 UTC
Many are the capsuleers who would have shuttled to the Concord section of the nearest orbital and holed up there. Whatever my personal and professional reservations about Msr Inhonores, his decision to face the full consequences of his actions speaks very highly of him.

It remains to be seen whether the Black Eagles require another capsuleer scapegoat, or whether Andreus Ixiris will suffice.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#37 - 2013-03-10 09:44:01 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Thank you for bringing up that example, mister Raqalth'Qui, because it just proves my point. Lord Kor-Azor was abusing his position, and whom was he punished by? Not vigilante citizens taking the law into their own hands. He was punished by the Speakers of Truth, which are the proper authority in such cases.

The Federation likes to talk about checks and balances, surely it has ways of legally investigating any potential criminal activity in its government branches.

The FIO are the group who are meant to do the investigation according to the information available to the public. What we have here is a classic case of who watches the watchmen. And the answer appears to be no-one right at the moment. While the Federation has been a place for civil liberties, this lack of oversight on the 'Watchmen' is providing a door for that to change.

Especially given the way the Black Eagles sprung the trap was designed to Maximise casualties, not exercise due legal procedure.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#38 - 2013-03-10 09:59:41 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

It remains to be seen whether the Black Eagles require another capsuleer scapegoat, or whether Andreus Ixiris will suffice.


Wait, wait. They nabbed Andreus too? What?

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2013-03-11 04:17:09 UTC
Not to the best of my knowledge, but he was roundly castigated for his actions by the FIO.

Still, I haven't seen him in awhile.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#40 - 2013-03-11 04:33:18 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Not to the best of my knowledge, but he was roundly castigated for his actions by the FIO.

Still, I haven't seen him in awhile.


I wonder if Lady Vitalia has the bouncy little bottom locked up in one of her villas again... initiation rituals, you know, all that.
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