Intergalactic Summit

It wasn't possible from logical point of view for Kador "fleet" to conquer Solitude.

I am not sure someone did ?



That is the theory. In practice, imperial History (and thus, the Scriptures themselves) will be a testimony to the almost unlimited power an Emperor or an Empress holds over the Scriptures. That individual, being the voice of God, can perfectly alter, retcon, or rewrite entire scripture parts.

Zaragram is maybe the most infamous example of that. It eventually took an assassination to make him stop.

That's just patently false, Cpt. Farel. History and especially the example of Zaragram shows, that the Emperor has not unlimited power over the Scripture. That he can not perfectly alter, retcon or rewrite entire parts of Scripture. Because he tried and failed.

The primary duty of the Emperor is enforcing the Scriptures, after all. Only second to this is he speaking with the voice of God and in that secondary faculty he is allowed to contradict the Scriptures, either by ignoring pieces that contradict his wishes, emphasizing passages that reinforce his position, or modifying sections to strengthen his commands. However, these alterations are not permanent, as the Theology Council maintains exclusive rights to modify Scripture directly.

There are quite good articles availabe on how the government of the Empire actually works, by the way.

Faithfully,
N. Mithra

So long as there are people committing crimes against the Empire, you are correct. That is where most new slaves come from.

Of course, you would not understand this, because everyone knows that Republic is a utopian paradise where crime never happens and no one is ever incarcerated or forced to do physical labor as punishment.

Yes, that was sarcasm. As for legitimize... it was legitimized by everyone when they signed the CONCORD treaties.

Although it may amuse you to know that the latest batch of slave stock came from the "Refusards" - auntie has considered picking up one for herself, being that our current gardener is looking forward to a well earned retirement soon.

Take a moment to compare that response by our government to those that break their own laws compared to some other government we could name.




Actually I've got a few theories, but you'd only deny them all.




Actually you'd do more good by setting up a remote laboratory somewhere and coming up with some plans for cheap, reliable robots. Or is creating not as personally satisfying as destroying? Not that there isn't satisfaction in destruction - I'm not going to lie; I enjoy it myself. Seeing pirate ships explode gives me a strong sense of satisfaction, too, and Sansha never seems to run out of lemmings. And in this I also admit that perhaps my own Faith is not as strong as some of my brethren, for I say that there are some souls beyond saving and there is no point in trying.

Yet despite everything you don't see me calling for war or mindless acts of terror against the Republic or it's people. If that doesn't give one pause to consider then I don't know what will.




"Slaves, build us a new ship."

But hey, I've got an idea actually. How about we emancipate even more slaves, would you like that? The Empire has no shortage of murders, sex offenders, incurable psychopaths and the lot who are all out working in fields and doped to the gills on psychoactive drugs to keep them pacified. If you want I'd be happy to fill several Bestowers with as many of them as I can carry and deliver them to whatever Republic world you want.

Just kidding. I would never do that. Innocent people would get hurt, and that's where I draw the line. Where do you draw yours?




You could have just said "violence is required" and left it at that. Also, I heard the Blood Raiders are recruiting. You would love their parties.

But surely, you must be kidding, right? The fact aside that a gynoid would serve the needs of your Capsuleer cut from the average cloth who needs her slaves to bring her drinks whilst she navigates GalNet chatrooms, slavery is not an economically favorable trade. Although your allies, the Caldari, have pointed that out. Numerous times.

But this is worthless of discussion. Slavery isn't about labor. The goal is enlightenment. What a ******* ridiculous conversation. In the space of a few months you've gone from 'waaah, the Republic is oppressing my rights' to 'well, them crops ain't gonna harvest themselves'.

Get a grip, whelp.

Your argument was ridiculous and convoluted. Your sloppy articulation butchered the premise of your stance. When you do something worthy of being chastised, you will be chastised. If you can't handle that show some damn consideration about what you write before spilling out your verbal diarrhea.



So you agree that I'm perfectly right (in far more words) in everything I have said, good. But you haven't apologized for your reckless and incompassionate presentation of your points - you should work on that. By the way, I at no point attacked the rampant corruption in the Empire concerning Holders and the treatment of their slaves in my post (at most, I made a jab at some of the types who linger in The Summit which could hardly be misconstrued as a major theme of my entry) ; I purposefully avoided doing this as it would be off-topic. I attacked your dim-witted, half baked comments.

You then try to cover your tracks by recycling the same points almost word for word you have been falling back on for several posts now. Very good.

You'll note that I wasn't crying about slavery, I simply attacked how you went about your stance and pushed you back onto the track. It's a favor, really. I am one of the Minmatar on this forum not of the Amarr faith who will dare to rise up against my own blood, the so-called 'Freedom Fighters', and my criticisms are honest, good-natured even.



And I have been preaching to my brothers on the IGS for a lengthy period of time now that this isn't the way forwards. Now again, apologize or hold your damn tongue and find somewhere else to play with your cursed strawmen.

Also it occured to me that you may have missed the fact that Zaragram occured 500 years prior to the Moral Reforms, which allowed him to do almost whatever he wanted regarding the Scriptures.

It is true that a decree system was then enacted to allow the Emperor and the Heirs to produce decrees while the only body capable of inserting them directly into scripture law is the TC, it still remains a fact that an Emperor in the TC's good graces will have no big issues to enforce his own decrees into scripture, as I quote above.

You are eluding my point by sticking to the rules, which have never been put into question here.

No, that is not my argument at all.

What I have been trying to point out since the beginning is not the rules in themselves, but the historical facts in the realm of political reality. You nevertheless chose to continue to resort to the rules themselves, which, again, is not my point.

There is a huge gap between rules (theory) and practice. If an Emperor has no standing amongst his peers, he has no power, be it through the Privy Council or the TC. If an Emperor has them in his pocket, his power is almost unlimited, in practice.

Also, I perfectly acknowledge that my example through Zaragram was probably not the most fitting since the type of ruling body was different.

He quite rarely has ? The truth is ? I am almost tempted to ask you for your sources and historical accounts. Well, that's your word on it, and since I can not provide such things as well, my word on it too. But I did not think you are naive enough to believe that political entities never bend the rules to their convenience, be it in any sovereign state.

Considering the usual social cuthroat amarrian politics tend to be especially, convenience and pragmatism often prevails over principles.

Also, everything based on writings, since language is all but perfect, can be subject to interpretation. It is also a matter of subjective truths, by the way. Especially when it comes to esoteric, often abstract books like the Scriptures. How do you think it works in a court of law ? Rules are stipulated and clearly written. And yet, people need judges, arbiters, and lawyers to turn these very rules to their advantage. Same thing with political constitutions and other variants, like the Scriptures, which are to the good will of the current interpretation the TC has of them.

If you disagree with these statements, then we will have to agree to disagree, I am afraid.