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RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#161 - 2013-03-09 17:55:00 UTC

Whitehound wrote:

Darek Castigatus wrote:

Actually its a group of players asking to be treated differently from everyone else who has been in this situation for no good reason other than 'I dont want this skill I trained any more'. Its just like those people who whined about the updated bounty system simply because they didnt want to have one put on them, it would be very amusing if it wasnt so utterly utterly pathetic.

Yes, they want to be treated with respect, which to you is utterly pathetic. Lol

Asking for favoritism and asking for respect are two entirely different things.

Asking to receive a special benefit for no other reason than to make you happy is asking for favoritism.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

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Whitehound Likes received: 2,906	#162 - 2013-03-09 17:56:17 UTC Darek Castigatus wrote: Not really no, doesnt stop me taking pleasure from watching idiots tilt at windmills. Is this so? I thought you hated them for having the guts to ask for something, which never crossed your mind. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Whitehound

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#163 - 2013-03-09 18:01:16 UTC | Edited by: Whitehound

RubyPorto wrote:

Whitehound wrote:

Darek Castigatus wrote:

Yes, they want to be treated with respect, which to you is utterly pathetic. Lol

Asking for favoritism and asking for respect are two entirely different things.

Asking to receive a special benefit for no other reason than to make you happy is asking for favoritism.

True, if it was favouritism. I see CCP admitting to a certain skill path being an unnecessary burden for the players and the players asking CCP for the courtesy to undo the burden. This is rather respectful. What is disrespectful is to patronize these players by telling them what they cannot do because of one's personal believes and inabilities.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#164 - 2013-03-09 18:02:16 UTC | Edited by: RubyPorto

Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Wrong again. I didn't want the skills before. And I don't want them now. But 'want' has never had anything to do with it. I was willing to accept training into skills I didn't want in order to get to skills that I did want, provided there were certain assumptions about the game, and a certain "world view."

If you didn't want to train the skills, why did you? If you only wanted to train the skills in order to fly an Orca, you should be pleased that your remaining skill training time to fly it is going to decrease (or neutral, as it will remain the same).

Which is it?

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The correct analogy is getting a degree at a university, of which I have two. I don't know where you come from or how it is where you are, but in the USA you are typically "forced" (if you want a certain degree) to take a bunch of useless courses and time sinks which have absolutely nothing to do with the degree you are pursuing. But if you want that degree, you have to take the useless crap and time sinks with it. There is no other option. I have an engineering degree but was forced to take foreign languages, music appreciation, and a whole host of things that I had no interest in, did not help me in life, and which I've already forgotten because I never used it. This wasn't just my experience, it was the experience of every person I know who got a degree.

Ok, so what? Are you saying that your university should reimburse you the time you spent taking those Gen-Eds if they later alter the degree requirements?

Anyway, nobody's saying that you wanted to train the skills for their own sake, just that you wanted to train the skills.
Just like I don't want to go to the gym for its own sake, I want to go because of the results of going regularly.

Now lets go to the converse of the Orca argument. If they had increased the training time, would you be arguing that existing Orca pilots should have to train more skills to remain able to fly the ship?

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#165 - 2013-03-09 18:12:09 UTC | Edited by: James Amril-Kesh

Asmodai Xodai wrote:

And your assumptions about the game were obviously wrong.

Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Bad analogy, because like training skills in a video game, I take seemingly useless courses at my university knowing full well that while currently required, these prerequisites may be changed for future students at any time (and indeed they have). And the university is under absolutely NO obligation to reimburse you for those classes in the event they remove them as prerequisites.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#166 - 2013-03-09 18:20:59 UTC

Don't worry, it's OK, I just thought of a better compromise

So everyone that wants to train into an Orca after the patch gets the new requisites to fly it

But everyone who could fly it before the patch stay with the same Mining Barge V requisite displayed under the 'Orca' skill. There's no functional difference, of course. It just shows the Mining Barge skill in the 'prerequisites' tab of the Orca info window with a nice little green tick :)

This way the Mining Barge V skill is no longer 'useless' to these people! Hooray!

Man I'm the best at this. You can send me ISK if you like.

Dave stark

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#167 - 2013-03-09 18:23:23 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

i've got an even better idea.

people could just stop whining about it, and get on with actually playing the game.


Benny Ohu Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 4,565	#168 - 2013-03-09 18:26:17 UTC 1 Yes but my solution takes a lot of dev time reprogramming the skill system (or perhaps the addition of a superfluous skill) for no real reason to appease a few falsely-entitled individuals


Dave stark Likes received: 7,950	#169 - 2013-03-09 18:28:14 UTC but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things.


Benny Ohu Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 4,565	#170 - 2013-03-09 18:29:36 UTC More important than little green ticks? I think not.


Whitehound Likes received: 2,906	#171 - 2013-03-09 18:49:15 UTC Dave Stark wrote: but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things. And what is that? Are you going to tell me that it is not us? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.


Dave stark Likes received: 7,950	#172 - 2013-03-09 18:53:00 UTC Whitehound wrote: Dave Stark wrote: but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things. And what is that? Are you going to tell me that it is not us? unsurprisingly, there are more important things than you, or the people crying about the skill changes.

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#173 - 2013-03-09 18:54:38 UTC

Look, I don't think you understand just how brilliant, insightful and handsome I am.

-The new plan for the Orca would be fully implemented into the game benefiting anyone who wants to train for the ship in a more logical progression

-Anyone who had to train Mining Barge V to fly the Orca would still be required to have it to continue any training of Industrial Command Ships, meaning the skill is still useful to them and wouldn't require reimbursement by any argument. If they get podded a lot and lose the skills, they'll be priviliged enough to be required to retrain Mining Barge V for Industrial Command Ships

-CCP won't face demands by sufferers of any previous nerfs to refund SP and won't face such requests after any other ship or skill changes in the future, keeping the game fair

-The human resources required to rewrite the skill/character system create many new information technology jobs in Iceland. I think this is the most important virtue of my proposed change as it will aid many young people in Iceland who may find it otherwise difficult to find a job

This appeals to everybody's interests and frankly I think you all should be just a little bit more thankful for my intervention today.

Whitehound

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#174 - 2013-03-09 18:59:36 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Whitehound wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things.

And what is that? Are you going to tell me that it is not us?

unsurprisingly, there are more important things than you, or the people crying about the skill changes.

No, I am not talking about myself. I am talking about us players! Where is your sense of unity?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Whitehound

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#175 - 2013-03-09 19:04:20 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

This appeals to everybody's interests and frankly I think you all should be just a little bit more thankful for my intervention today.

How about CCP not changing anything but leaving everything as it is? It would be the end for all discussions on game changes. Cool

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#176 - 2013-03-09 19:12:18 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

Yes but my solution takes a lot of dev time reprogramming the skill system (or perhaps the addition of a superfluous skill) for no real reason to appease a few falsely-entitled individuals

Straight

Will it also break the game in (as yet) unknown and mysterious ways ?!

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Dave stark

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#177 - 2013-03-09 19:19:28 UTC

Whitehound wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Whitehound wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things.

And what is that? Are you going to tell me that it is not us?

unsurprisingly, there are more important things than you, or the people crying about the skill changes.

No, I am not talking about myself. I am talking about us players! Where is your sense of unity?

what can i say... i hate people.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#178 - 2013-03-09 19:20:43 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Whitehound wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Whitehound wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

but my solution lets ccp spend their time on more important things.

And what is that? Are you going to tell me that it is not us?

unsurprisingly, there are more important things than you, or the people crying about the skill changes.

No, I am not talking about myself. I am talking about us players! Where is your sense of unity?

what can i say... i hate people.

You're posting in General Discussion.

You also hate yourself?


Benny Ohu Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 4,565	#179 - 2013-03-09 19:28:05 UTC 1 Alavaria Fera wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Yes but my solution takes a lot of dev time reprogramming the skill system (or perhaps the addition of a superfluous skill) for no real reason to appease a few falsely-entitled individuals Will it also break the game in (as yet) unknown and mysterious ways ?! Surprises keep the metagame fresh and interesting!


Dave stark Likes received: 7,950	#180 - 2013-03-09 19:30:14 UTC Alavaria Fera wrote: You're posting in General Discussion. You also hate yourself? Guess so.

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