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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#121 - 2013-03-08 22:22:03 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?

I was gonna make some substantive comment, but really that edit demands:

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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#122 - 2013-03-08 22:23:45 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We will not state what changes were made but yes there were changes made targeting specific malicious actors who are aware of the fact that they were targeted and have made some early attempts at guessing how they were targeted on their forums which is where this information seems to be sourced from. We don't have any further comment on the topic at this time but it can stay open for discussion as it's based in fact.
Good job. Good job indeed.
Keep up the good work!

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2013-03-08 22:59:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

~kill them all, god shall know his own~
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#124 - 2013-03-08 23:20:57 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?

5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot
6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot

About #6, some players will click on the rock and hit orbit. Works best in ice fields where you have little chance of bumping into another roid. Then even the afk player will move back. But if they were bumped out of range they will not be able to turn on the miners once they get back, unlike a bot.

I do orbit, but then again I tank my mining ships, train the orca pilot in command skills, get command implants, command links......

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2013-03-08 23:50:05 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
So it scans your computer for bots? Like does it check your hard drive or just the client's integrity when running? Reason I ask is cause I do enjoy privacy. I wont' download origin and I'd hate for Eve to become Origin


All your pr0n files are belong to us Lol

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-03-09 00:10:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

One is human, the other is not. If you are seriously trying to imply they are one and the same, then I think we should also include AFK moon goo towers. After all, you only have to empty those once a week. Blink
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-03-09 00:49:16 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?


so they're basically the same thing

got it

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#128 - 2013-03-09 00:51:16 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
One is human, the other is not. If you are seriously trying to imply they are one and the same, then I think we should also include AFK moon goo towers. After all, you only have to empty those once a week. Blink


more like once every three weeks lol

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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#129 - 2013-03-09 01:36:50 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:

This sounds eerily like a statement you'd get from military officials.


Good. They are taking this new offensive against botting seriously.

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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-03-09 01:44:54 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:


If I worked for a tax collection agency I'd file that tip right into the paperbin.... Roll

Admittedly a neat idea but it just doesn't seem very practical to me.


You haven't ever dealt with the US IRS.

Those folks are more than willing to roll with something as nebulous as this. They are only held to full standards of proof for criminal tax evasion cases. For merely dunning for upaid tax and penalties, the standard of proof is much lower. They would use such a revelation as a reason to go to a tax court judge, and have the RMT person's financial data retrieved for microscopic examination.

The more money the person is making on this, the more likely the investigation. Individual IRS investigators get a cut of the recovered cash.

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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#131 - 2013-03-09 01:46:24 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

~kill them all, god shall know his own~


^this

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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#132 - 2013-03-09 01:50:08 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Get rid of the bots in Jita and I guarantee we'll see a lot less congestion when trying to go to Jita.


Allow Dust 514 players to shoot botting 'tards in Jita 4-4, and I'll buy a console.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2013-03-09 01:55:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?


so they're basically the same thing

got it

Except that's not what he said at all. Selective interpretation (or intentional misinterpretation) doesn't prove your point.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#134 - 2013-03-09 01:57:26 UTC
I still see bots in Misneden.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2013-03-09 02:18:30 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?

5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot
6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot

5) Ice doesn't deplete
6) Keep at range already does this for you, no need for a bot

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-03-09 02:43:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Andski wrote:
ctx2007 wrote:
Now James 315/6 and his cronies can leave the proper miners alone and crawl back in the hole where they came from.


what's the difference between a botter who checks his client every hour and an afk mackinaw miner who checks his client every hour

1) One is violating the EULA, the other is not.
2) One is targeted by CCP security, the other is not.
3) As Macks fill up in less than an hour, one would mine more than the other.
4) If neither checked, one would be mining after an hour, the other would not.

Edit: But the big one is #1. The EULA is not an in-game contract, its in the real world. Its a contract that we all agreed to. Botters are breaking that real world contract. Surely you can see the difference between breaking a contract in the real world vs a fantasy one? You can tell the difference between reality and fantasy?

5) If the rock being mined is depleted the bot moves on to another, the AFK player cannot
6) If bumped out of range of the rock the bot can move back into place, the AFK player cannot

5) Ice doesn't deplete
6) Keep at range already does this for you, no need for a bot

Re-engaging my miners/harvesters is not handled by that function.
And while ice gets around the limits of an asteroid it can't get around the limits of the cargo hold
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-03-09 02:51:59 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
I still see bots in Misneden.


What is your evidence of them being bots?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-03-09 03:22:11 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
I still see bots in Misneden.


What is your evidence of them being bots?


if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#139 - 2013-03-09 03:35:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jason Xado wrote:
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
I still see bots in Misneden.


What is your evidence of them being bots?


if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck


Sure, but a lot of people confuse multiboxing behavior with botting behavior.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-03-09 04:19:42 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Andski wrote:
Jason Xado wrote:
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
I still see bots in Misneden.


What is your evidence of them being bots?


if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck


Sure, but a lot of people confuse multiboxing behavior with botting behavior.


But they're not really at fault if they confuse AFK ice mining with botting, since it is essentially the same.

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