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New PC, & Windows 8

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Kai Sheia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-08 21:37:33 UTC
please move wherever would be best if neccessary, not sure where this sort of question is best suited for.

looking towards getting a new computer. the one I have now is REALLY terrible, so dang near anything will be an upgrade from what I have now. BUT, I've got a few questions, largely related to EVE, as its what I am most concerned with playing effectively.

the main uses for this computer would be usual internet-browsing type stuff, EVE (likely 2-3 boxing in the forseeable future), Tribes Ascend, possibly Mechwarrior Online. I don't need super-awesome maximum settings running at 1000fps or anything of that sort, just want it to run nicely at nice settings, rather than run barely-sufferably at minimum settings.

Windows 7 vs Windows 8.
not heard a lot of good things about Windows 8. how much of these issues are legitimate concerns, and how much is people just being reluctant about change?

in essence, what "warnings" would you have for someone who is thoroughly computer literate but a little out of date on some things, about choosing Windows 8 over Windows 7? what limitations or quirks might come up that one might wish they knew about ahead of time?


AMD Fusion Processors.
from what I've read, these processors likely would serve my needs and budget rather well. a particular system I'm looking at uses an A8-5600K, comes with 8gb ram, and can take up to 32gb. this seems like it should suit my needs to a T, am I missing anything about this that would make it substantially less-so?
Orlacc
#2 - 2013-03-08 21:42:00 UTC
In a nutshell, Windows 8 is Windows 7 with a lot of bells and whistles (aero) yanked so it will run on tablets and phones. I was very happy with 7, but as I fix computers, installed 8 on my main box. I have to say it runs at least as well as 7 if not faster. I sometimes multi-box and it works great.

I only run 8 in desktop mode as I do not like the "charms" system, so it looks and feels like 7.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Novakovic
Noctuna Invasion
#3 - 2013-03-08 21:47:06 UTC
I run i5 processor, 120gb ssd, 16gb ram, geforce gt630 2gb, and a basic motherboard. And Win8 and run 2-3 clients without a sweat. All settings on high, not using CQ because I find no use for it.
Amd is something I have no experince of. But as far as operating system gors, I see no reason too choose Win7 over Win8.
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-08 21:55:46 UTC
Well I run a MSI GT70 gametop with a i7-3630QM, 32gb memory, Intel speed demon 520 ssd with a GTX 675M 2gb. I use Windows 8 running 2 monitors (laptop and 27" external). I can run 12 EvE clients simultaneously and watch a movie with no real issues, I do tend to reduce my graphics from max to mid range just for performance when running all my clients at the same time though it would run 12 EvE clients at max.

Windows 8 is cool but nothing spectacular, I removed most of the bloatware that came with it.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#5 - 2013-03-08 22:19:31 UTC
I run W8. It's nothing new. People are giving a lot of flak to the Metro Interface, for BS reasons, mostly after using it for 5 minutes, and deciding that learning how to use it was bogus.

I'd say 70-90% are people who don't want to change.

Quote:
It's useless for people without a touchscreen. I just want my kb+mouse


Meh, it works just fine without a touchscreen. You can set it up the way you want without problems. (And if you were navigating the the Vista/7 start menu with your mouse you were mostly very inefficient.) Learn to use the "type to search" function.

W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually.
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#6 - 2013-03-08 22:24:07 UTC
Keep 7 windows 8 is only good for what it was designed for... tablets.

Windows 8 is for the most part a piece of sh*t

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2013-03-08 22:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually.
Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about.

Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when, what, and how various bits of UI can be triggered and what it's all for.
Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2013-03-08 22:26:56 UTC
The CandyGirl wrote:
Keep 7 windows 8 is only good for what it was designed for... tablets.

Windows 8 is for the most part a piece of sh*t


And another voice of ignorance is heard from.

Been using Win8 since pre-release, works wonderful, better than Win7 in several aspects. Zero driver issues, reliable, fast, rock solid. Before you pop off about something (yes, I know this is GD) learn what the hell you're talking about.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2013-03-08 22:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
Tippia wrote:
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually.
Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about.

Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when, what, and how various bits of UI can be triggered and what it's all for.


Personally never had them (Primary system is Debian)

Please enlighten me, because my Google-Fu is failing me on this.

edit; Durr, misread that. Indeed. Some things are hidden at weird places. Thank god for Shortcuts like win+x and win+i though.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#10 - 2013-03-08 22:38:49 UTC
Outside of the metro interface the differences between Win7 and Win8 are slim. Some actually see a boost in performance using Win8 but that's up for debate.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#11 - 2013-03-08 22:42:24 UTC
I like windows 8.

Yes it was very unfamiliar at first but the new start menu is great once you have everything placed there.

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Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#12 - 2013-03-08 23:10:08 UTC
Frankly the hate towards 8 is biased. I have had Windows 8 for months now and actually like it. I don't use the metro interface (there are start menu alts you can get) and it boots directly to the desktop. EVE runs fine.

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Kai Sheia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-08 23:16:36 UTC
thanks for all the opinions, this has reassured me about getting one with Windows 8 rather than 7.



any thoughts on the A8-5600K processor?
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2013-03-08 23:33:58 UTC
There are some issues with the Mumble overlay in windows 8 (something about directx9 injection) but other than that it works perfectly and is a solid upgrade over win7
Goldnut Sachs
#15 - 2013-03-09 05:39:23 UTC
I wouldn't go out of my way to get win8, but we will be forced to use it when new laptops gets installed with it starting this year.
Consider the i3 before you get the amd.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-09 08:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Montevius Williams
Kai Sheia wrote:
please move wherever would be best if neccessary, not sure where this sort of question is best suited for.

looking towards getting a new computer. the one I have now is REALLY terrible, so dang near anything will be an upgrade from what I have now. BUT, I've got a few questions, largely related to EVE, as its what I am most concerned with playing effectively.

the main uses for this computer would be usual internet-browsing type stuff, EVE (likely 2-3 boxing in the forseeable future), Tribes Ascend, possibly Mechwarrior Online. I don't need super-awesome maximum settings running at 1000fps or anything of that sort, just want it to run nicely at nice settings, rather than run barely-sufferably at minimum settings.

Windows 7 vs Windows 8.
not heard a lot of good things about Windows 8. how much of these issues are legitimate concerns, and how much is people just being reluctant about change?

in essence, what "warnings" would you have for someone who is thoroughly computer literate but a little out of date on some things, about choosing Windows 8 over Windows 7? what limitations or quirks might come up that one might wish they knew about ahead of time?


AMD Fusion Processors.
from what I've read, these processors likely would serve my needs and budget rather well. a particular system I'm looking at uses an A8-5600K, comes with 8gb ram, and can take up to 32gb. this seems like it should suit my needs to a T, am I missing anything about this that would make it substantially less-so?



In my opinion, for gaming, Windows 7 is better than Windows 8, although some games run better on 8 than 7. You can check out various benchmarks online. Overall, 7 is better than 8 for gaming, but not by a wide margin. It's pretty negligable.

Other than gaming, Windows 8 is better.

Read this

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#17 - 2013-03-09 08:25:03 UTC
i5 -2500k
GTX 560 ti
Standard Asus motherboard
120gb SSD
8GB RAM ddr3
Windows 7





A decent mid level computer

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.

Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-03-09 08:32:57 UTC
Kai Sheia wrote:
any thoughts on the A8-5600K processor?


Only go with fusion processors if you can't afford a system with a discrete video card and an intel processor
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#19 - 2013-03-09 08:53:41 UTC
New build with windows 8 here. It's absolutely rock solid at the moment, performs just as well as Windows 7 if not better from feel - I've not run benchmarks examining 1fps here and there differences.
Running dual clients in fixed window mode works a lot better than it did in 7, Framerate his is a lot smaller and I can alt tab between the clients much smoother.

Tippia wrote:
]Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about.

Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when, what, and how various bits of UI can be triggered and what it's all for.

I've not come accross any usability issues. Yes Metro isn't ideal without a touchscreen, but you don't need to use it for anything at all. Go to desktop view, and you'll find that any advanced settings / control panel etc are much quicker to get to than before (press Windows + X or right click in the bottom left of the screen for a quick menu) - I've found that's solved most peoples complaints with 8!
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2013-03-09 15:01:09 UTC
Only advice I'll give is to check if your graphic card manufacture is making an updated driver for Win8.
If you're going to use AMD / ATI you're graphic card has to be a serie 5000 and up.
Under that and your graphic card won't make use of all the newest driver optimization.
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