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Skills as micro transactions
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Scynner
South of Heaven Ltd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2013-03-08 15:53:56 UTC
First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE.

What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players?

Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill.

What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-03-08 15:55:04 UTC
1 SP = 1 €

Anything less would be pushing it.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-03-08 15:55:43 UTC
Yeah, this thread will be going places..



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Arix Sarn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-08 15:56:03 UTC
A big **** no to all micro transactions.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-03-08 15:59:04 UTC
CCP would ban me for the words I would use to tell you how much I hate this unoriginal idea.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-03-08 16:00:16 UTC
Arix Sarn wrote:
A big **** no to all micro transactions.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#7 - 2013-03-08 16:00:36 UTC
While I would see buying SP as harmful to the game, I do recognize that the character bazaar effectively offers you the chance to do this.

Personally you wanna buy some plex and buy a character someone else has trained and played for months or years thats fair enough, but - and I can't honestly say why - something horrifies me about just whacking in some isk and getting straight SP.

On the other hand I would be interested to hear views on whether CCP should let us remap our SP for plex (maybe pay 1 x plex and remove skills worth up to say 5mil sp for a 75% reimbursment or similar)

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Perramas
DreddNaut
#8 - 2013-03-08 16:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Perramas
Scynner wrote:
First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE.

What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players?

Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill.

What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain?


Are you John Riccitiello?

And no to all forms of microtransaction!

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Notorious Fellon
#9 - 2013-03-08 16:03:39 UTC
No micro, no "Golden Ammo" and no to all the other nonsense that gives unfair advantage to those willing to dump piles of RL money in to "get better" than the player who cannot.

Selling Plex for Isk is bad enough (even with its benefits).

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Merouk Baas
#10 - 2013-03-08 16:04:17 UTC
IMO it would significantly drop the EVE playerbase numbers. Quite a few people are paying for multiple accounts simply to train up characters, and if it were possible to get the skills instantly, then there's no point in paying multiple months of subscription.

CCP would probably still get their money, if they price the skillpoints to be more expensive than a month of subscription (1.6 million SP per month is, I think, what can be achieved currently), but the playerbase would be a lot more spiky: crowds whenever they release expansions, and crickets in between.

So they would still get their money, but the in-game economy and player experience would both be affected negatively by the lack of players in between expansions / wars / whatever.

Instant gratification is detrimental to the MMO business principle of keeping people paying for a subscription for as long as possible.

It fits the F2P model, but the game wasn't designed with F2P in mind to begin with. DUST was, and they can feel free to test / improve F2P and give skillls for $$ and do whatever they want in that game.
Scynner
South of Heaven Ltd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2013-03-08 16:06:10 UTC

Are you John Riccitiello?

And no to all forms of microtransaction![/quote]


I had to look him up. LOL.
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-08 16:14:44 UTC
A months subs cost for a months worth of skill points seems totally fair.

You shouldn't have to wait around just because other people are poor.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#13 - 2013-03-08 16:18:33 UTC
It is going to happen one day. Either in the forum of downright skillpoints for sale in the Eve store or the sale of boosters that increase skill point generation for a certain amount of time.

But it won't be for another couple of years.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#14 - 2013-03-08 16:20:25 UTC
I'll tell you what it would do to the game..... Ruin It.

Dont you remember the summer of gold-ammo... how many people dropped their subscriptoions simply because of the tidea of micro transactions.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Scynner
South of Heaven Ltd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2013-03-08 16:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Scynner
Jint Hikaru wrote:
I'll tell you what it would do to the game..... Ruin It.

Dont you remember the summer of gold-ammo... how many people dropped their subscriptoions simply because of the tidea of micro transactions.


No, I wasn't here for that. I'm in my 2nd month sub. Could you elaborate? What happened?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#16 - 2013-03-08 16:25:13 UTC
Don't give CCP any ideas.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Kobal81
Domheimed
#17 - 2013-03-08 16:27:45 UTC
Scynner wrote:
First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE.

What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players?

Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill.

What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain?



22 days ain't nothing but a thing. Try training carriers skills scrub. Get out and nut up, if you don't have the patience to train WoW is that way>>>

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-03-08 16:34:01 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Don't give CCP any ideas.

Well its not like they have any of there own.
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#19 - 2013-03-08 16:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Stan'din
Out of all the Companies in the games industry CCP are the only ones who listen to there customers and fans. And after the whole gold ammo situation we all know it won't happen.




the mere mention of John Riccitiello makes my blood boil, i hope he gets Genital Herpes

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-08 16:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
Arix Sarn wrote:
A big **** no to all micro transactions.


baltec1 wrote:
CCP would ban me for the words I would use to tell you how much I hate this unoriginal idea.



This.

I can tell you what would happen; people that have more money than sense, and playing for a week, crying that their Carriers got blown up in Lowsec.
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